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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Shard
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However, the main point is that the employer should not have the right to control what a minor employee says or does in his time off. He has freedom to speak, no matter how trashy his words are. If he crosses a boundary there are laws to answer to. Private life can be cause for firing, experts say after Jian Ghomeshi dismissal | Toronto Star |
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And on top of all that, TFC lost that game and Swansea beat Arsenal 1-0 a bad week end all round for Mr Arsenal !!
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Post #21 has the link that addresses this point
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11646046)
However, the main point is that the employer should not have the right to control what a minor employee says or does in his time off. He has freedom to speak, no matter how trashy his words are. If he crosses a boundary there are laws to answer to.
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11646048)
Mmmmm...so were CBC right to fire Ghomeshi??? I mean he wasn't allegedly raping women during work time?
Private life can be cause for firing, experts say after Jian Ghomeshi dismissal | Toronto Star |
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I know this case is cut n dry as he was on Live T V
But if this out come sets a president in this matter and what u do away from work is deemed as destructive to your employer, could some one not just make up some thing a post it on the interenet? Let's say you are going head to head with a guy for a promotion or managers job. Media maybe a tool used to get the edge? |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11646065)
Yes, there's cause when reputational damage arises, but this is precisely why the TV crews actions are questionable. "Trial by the media mob" would be an apt title for this thread.
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It looks like a group of at least six fans were involved. The two that were interviewed pretty much admitted that they had planned to do it, and were looking for the opportunity.
The interviewer called them out on it, from what looked like her own personal perspective (rather than taking advantage of an opportunity) and I think she dealt with the mob really well. To be honest, when she said "I get this 10 times a day", I just wanted to give her a big hug. Sad :(
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11646065)
Yes, there's cause when reputational damage arises, but this is precisely why the TV crews actions are questionable. "Trial by the media mob" would be an apt title for this thread.
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Originally Posted by Greenhill
(Post 11646089)
It looks like a group of at least six fans were involved. The two that were interviewed pretty much admitted that they had planned to do it, and were looking for the opportunity.
The interviewer called them out on it, from what looked like her own personal perspective (rather than taking advantage of an opportunity) and I think she dealt with the mob really well. To be honest, when she said "I get this 10 times a day", I just wanted to give her a big hug. Sad :( The positive is we can all learn from this and show a greater sense of public awareness in future. We should probably start applying for jobs at Hydro One too as they seem to compensate very well. |
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11646040)
It's a debate I've been following in a number of formats.
The gentleman who was fired upset me, not just because of his comments about using a dildo, but because he kept referring to it being acceptable in England so she should put up with it here. What was said and done was clearly stupid and alcohol is not an excuse for stupid behaviour. The question is what is fitting punishment for the crime? Would a ban from all MLSE facilities and a police caution (in the works) have been enough for this person to rethink their conduct in the future? It's easy to say he should lose his job and I'm sure Hydro One employs many females who are no doubt uncomfortable with this individual now. But what if this chap has never put a foot wrong before and has several children dependent on him? The media attention means he will not likely work for a very very long time. There are lots of ways a lesson can be learned but is the punishment fitting of the crime? Do we start firing every tradesman who whistles or makes a cat call at a women? What if a guy pays a girl a compliment? We are in an era of transition. It's all part of the mindset that has women as pawns in men's lives. The idea that our manner of dressing and acting is all a deliberate tease to entice poor weak men who have no control over their actions once blood is hurtling to their genitalia.. Get over it. If men can't act with decency and respect towards others then they shoukd bloody well stay at home and play with their toys. You want to pay a girl a compliment? If you don't know her then don't. It's creepy and intimidating. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 11645872)
IMO it happened whilst he was not at work, not being paid by the company, not at a company event. Canadian law and law enforcement should trump "company policy", especially when the "violation" of said policy occurred when the employee was not at work. Not saying what the bloke did was right, but it wasn't right for the company to take action either. That's the police/law enforcement's job if there were laws broken.
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11646103)
We should probably start applying for jobs at Hydro One too as they seem to compensate very well.
Do you have a yacht? If you do then new sails are a fabulous benefit of working in a senior position at Hydro One. |
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If someone says something like that to a woman and her husband or boyfriend hears it they can get crippled or worse; it isn't acceptable. I've seen it happen, the guy had it coming. No time allowed to argue the nuances of freedom of speech. This donkey should count himself lucky all he lost was his job.
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+1
"You're lucky there's not a ****ing vibrator in your ear." Certainly not a statement a man would make to another man, so definitely a hint of misogyny. I'm also pretty sure if he was heard saying that, after a football match in England, he'd be taken out by a sucker punch from a passerby, that would put a swift end to his "fun".
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 11646196)
If someone says something like that to a woman and her husband or boyfriend hears it they can get crippled or worse; it isn't acceptable. I've seen it happen, the guy had it coming. No time allowed to argue the nuances of freedom of speech. This donkey should count himself lucky all he lost was his job.
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Originally Posted by Shard
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Nothing wrong with the reporter calling the guy out on his remarks. He was wrong to make them. However, then using media power to publically shame him, especially in the context (drunk fans leaving a football match) seems vindictive. If she truly felt 'harassed' go to the police. There is legislation to deal with such behaviour.
However, the main point is that the employer should not have the right to control what a minor employee says or does in his time off. He has freedom to speak, no matter how trashy his words are. If he crosses a boundary there are laws to answer to. if she truly felt "harrassed". Nice minimization of the issue there Shard. |
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