Trial by media
May 21st 2015 | 9:26 am
#181
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Re: Trial by media
....Or do you mean things like climate change, "Scientists think........" Is that the kind of thing you mean?
May 21st 2015 | 9:27 am
#182
Muskoka, Ontario
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Re: Trial by media
To be honest, that really irks me, especially the 'social media' bit...
Sure, it may be in the "code of conduct" , but the greater issue or greater point that I am trying to make here is that regardless of what the 'code of conduct' says, it should not apply outside of work! Doctors, nurses, what does it matter as long as they take the best possible care of their patients as they can? Teachers, their job is to follow the educational standards the government has set for the students, so as long as they do that during school there isn't an issue. I've had lots of teachers say "My personal experience/opinion is/has been different but the law requires me to state this opinion: ...". Based on your logic they would have to represent the government's opinion on whatever topic even when they aren't working, just because they are a teacher? On top of all that, regardless of someone's profession the fact is that he wasn't charged. Whether he was a doctor, nurse or teacher doesn't change that.
Sure, it may be in the "code of conduct" , but the greater issue or greater point that I am trying to make here is that regardless of what the 'code of conduct' says, it should not apply outside of work! Doctors, nurses, what does it matter as long as they take the best possible care of their patients as they can? Teachers, their job is to follow the educational standards the government has set for the students, so as long as they do that during school there isn't an issue. I've had lots of teachers say "My personal experience/opinion is/has been different but the law requires me to state this opinion: ...". Based on your logic they would have to represent the government's opinion on whatever topic even when they aren't working, just because they are a teacher? On top of all that, regardless of someone's profession the fact is that he wasn't charged. Whether he was a doctor, nurse or teacher doesn't change that.
You have literally no clue Gozit...
May 21st 2015 | 9:28 am
#183
slanderer of the innocent
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,695
From: Vancouver, BC
Re: Trial by media
The bottom line, if a guy is a sexist douchebag, Gozit thinks they should be allowed to be a sexist douchebag outside of work and be protected.
May 21st 2015 | 9:29 am
#184
slanderer of the innocent
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From: Vancouver, BC
Re: Trial by media
Oh he has no clue. No clue at all. Agreed. I just want to read him admit it instead of dressing it all up in bs about free speech outside of work.
Just admit it. Guys should be free to make rapey, sexually harrassy comments outside of work all they want and keep their jobs and careers with no blowback in the (gasp!) media or in the workplace. And it should be forced on to the woman to complain to some official authority to make it an officially sexist or harrassy comment/action, it's not enough to just be witnessed.
Come on then. Own it. Cos that's what you're supporting and you, too Shard.
"Man" up and own it.
Just admit it. Guys should be free to make rapey, sexually harrassy comments outside of work all they want and keep their jobs and careers with no blowback in the (gasp!) media or in the workplace. And it should be forced on to the woman to complain to some official authority to make it an officially sexist or harrassy comment/action, it's not enough to just be witnessed.
Come on then. Own it. Cos that's what you're supporting and you, too Shard.
"Man" up and own it.
Last edited by ExKiwilass; May 21st 2015 at 9:33 am.
May 21st 2015 | 9:32 am
#185
Muskoka, Ontario
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Re: Trial by media
Are you really saying that as a parent of a girl I should let a teacher stand up in public and say what he wants to do to her and that's ok? Or a male nurse could make that statement and then go and care for a female and she shouldn't be uncomfortable?
I can't quite believe what you're saying. Dear god I hope my sons never think like you.
I can't quite believe what you're saying. Dear god I hope my sons never think like you.
May 21st 2015 | 9:34 am
#186
slanderer of the innocent
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From: Vancouver, BC
Re: Trial by media
Are you really saying that as a parent of a girl I should let a teacher stand up in public and say what he wants to do to her and that's ok? Or a male nurse could make that statement and then go and care for a female and she shouldn't be uncomfortable?
I can't quite believe what you're saying. Dear god I hope my sons never think like you.
I can't quite believe what you're saying. Dear god I hope my sons never think like you.
May 21st 2015 | 9:43 am
#187
Born again atheist
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Posts: 30,259
From: Europe (to be specified).
Re: Trial by media
But I have a question relating to scale: Don't you think that the status quo in the Canadian Forces (not to mention the RCMP) deserves a bit more attention than the case you're all on about?
May 21st 2015 | 9:47 am
#188
slanderer of the innocent
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From: Vancouver, BC
Re: Trial by media
This case is the lightening rod for a wider discussion: I don't think any woman on this thread is saying this case is somehow more important than the sexual abuse etc going on in the RCMP or the Forces. We're saying this is a symptom of the WIDER CULTURAL ISSUE, of which the RCMP etc is a part. All of it needs to stop. ALL OF IT.
Last edited by ExKiwilass; May 21st 2015 at 9:52 am.
May 21st 2015 | 9:52 am
#189
Born again atheist
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From: Europe (to be specified).
Re: Trial by media
already brought up further back, but the whole culture needs to change. Most women aren't in the RCMP or the Canadian Forces, we just deal with this as part of life OUTSIDE those institutions. But yes, it needs to be dealt with there too.
I mean, women are harrassed and raped outside of the RCMP etc, right?
I mean, women are harrassed and raped outside of the RCMP etc, right?
May 21st 2015 | 10:03 am
#190
slanderer of the innocent
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From: Vancouver, BC
Re: Trial by media
Agreed.
May 21st 2015 | 10:06 am
#191
Dive Bar Drunk
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From: Toronto
Re: Trial by media
People like to jump on bandwagons, find strength in numbers and be self righteous.
Easier to fight a won battle with odds on your side than something sensible.
Last edited by JamesM; May 21st 2015 at 10:10 am.
May 21st 2015 | 10:09 am
#192
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,671
From: Toronto
Re: Trial by media
Oh he has no clue. No clue at all. Agreed. I just want to read him admit it instead of dressing it all up in bs about free speech outside of work.
Just admit it. Guys should be free to make rapey, sexually harrassy comments outside of work all they want and keep their jobs and careers with no blowback in the (gasp!) media or in the workplace. And it should be forced on to the woman to complain to some official authority to make it an officially sexist or harrassy comment/action, it's not enough to just be witnessed.
Come on then. Own it. Cos that's what you're supporting and you, too Shard.
"Man" up and own it.
Just admit it. Guys should be free to make rapey, sexually harrassy comments outside of work all they want and keep their jobs and careers with no blowback in the (gasp!) media or in the workplace. And it should be forced on to the woman to complain to some official authority to make it an officially sexist or harrassy comment/action, it's not enough to just be witnessed.
Come on then. Own it. Cos that's what you're supporting and you, too Shard.
"Man" up and own it.
May 21st 2015 | 10:11 am
#193
slanderer of the innocent
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Posts: 6,695
From: Vancouver, BC
May 21st 2015 | 10:15 am
#195
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