Thought of a goodie!! - Pstorius, innocent or guilty????
 

To get things rolling and to quote Black Adder - " he's as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo!!!

Discuss.......

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even spelt his bloody name wrong!!!

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Recycled joke. He doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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I think his defence team are well and truly stumped.

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Tim Brooke-Taylor!

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He done it but responsibility is diminished, he was legless at the time.

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The surgeons might have been able to save his legs...
But they'd run out of op shins.

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I think the jury might run away with this one :D

The police caught Pistorius trying to leave South Africa by boat, it was an easy catch as he never had his sea legs :D

I think he's guilty by the way , banged to rights, get it

I could go on

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Guilty. Psychopathic tendencies.

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Do you mean that Pistorius exhibits psychopathic tendencies? A desire for control and rationalising that social conventions and the law shouldn't apply to him because he's somehow special? Trying to transfer or project blame for something one has obviously done oneself can be a good indicator but is also a normal defence in a trial. Psychopathy isn't against the law and even if it was hearsay doesn't make evidence. They'll still have to try to prove he intended to kill her and it wasn't an error.

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Pistorious:

a) loaded his pistol with expanding bullets, designed to cause maximum damage to human tissue, (banned from use in international warfare since 1899)

b) fired 4 times into a confined space, altering the aim on subsequent rounds, all fired from short range

Whoever he thought was behind the (locked) door, he took deliberate acts to inflict fatal harm to person known or unknown. He was a trained in the use of firearms and had full knowledge of the implications of his actions.

Given the above, I find it hard not to believe that he is guilty of murder.

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A) Not illegal for use outside of international warfare and widely used for protection.
B) Tried to either kill or disable his intended target behind the door - not in dispute
C) If the court can prove he knew it was his girlfriend and not an intruder hiding in the bathroom then murder is what he'll probably be convicted of.
The arguments and summations by prosecution and defense, the judge's charge to the jury (if they do that in SA) lead up to the climax and hopefully the procedures of law ensure both sides are afforded opportunity to present their cases on an equal footing.

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a) agreed, the ammo is legal. But it is illegal to not store firearm correctly. I believe the firearm was not stored correctly.

b) If he tried to kill anybody, then it is murder. The person was behind a locked door, so it seems hard to argue self defense at the point the shots were fired.

c) Let us all hope that justice is served, be he innocent or guilty.

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He may get an Oscar for his performance in court.

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It's all a bit reminiscent of that OJ shit isn't?

It's only a matter of time before we find out that the sock doesn't fit.

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South Africa does not have trial by jury.

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Equal footing, get it?

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He seems a rather uptight young man. Not footloose and fancy free at all!

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Really? From what they show on tv he appears to have a spring in his step.

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The man is guilty.

- if not him, who shot her?
- if one has a loaded gun, and suspects a break in/robber, one challenges the intruder verbally.
- by the voice he would have heard if it was his girl friend, and she would have recognized his voice
- all that wining and crying about being innocent is incredible to me.
- if you own a gun, you must be aware of all the consequences, no matter if you're in South Africa or somewhere else in the world.

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He wasn't really expecting any mess was he?

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Are you referring to his outburst toward the prosecutor when the crime scene photos of Reena were shown? I wonder about that - was it genuine grief or contrived, or was it a little peek at his temper?

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That and the vomiting. Or is it worry about being in prison for a long time? Maybe his steroids are wearing off and he is over emotional. :rofl: a nasty control freak.

If he is found not guilty of murder because he thought it was an intruder can he then be tried for attempted murder of an intruder? But as the intruder never existed then how could he be tried for that?

I guess he will no longer have access to fancy prosthetics, that will add to his punishment.

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Her name was Reeva, not Reena.

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Oops, sorry about that. Tough to guess how this will play out; shooting an intruder may not be frowned upon in SA like it is in Canada because the threat of a home invasion is far greater there, (so I've been told by reliable sources). Also I don't know how their justice system works. Can the judge's ruling be challenged and overturned on appeal like here and can the prosecution appeal as well if they don't like the verdict or the sentence? If he gets off can the victim's family launch a civil suit (ala OJ)? I don't think any judge wants to hand down a ruling knowing it won't survive an appeal. Mercifully this trial isn't on television all day and night and all participants awarded star status.

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The trial is on tv here in Australia on one of the Foxtel (cable) channels. I watched about an hour of it on Friday when I was off. Very interesting. It's really different to the American or Canadian trials I've seen.

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Yeah ... I think it was all temper and rage... I don't honestly think he really 'meant' to kill her, but his rage got the better of him and that's why we're now getting all the histrionics in the courtroom..

Of course we'll never know the whole truth but it makes sense to me that she locked herself in the bathroom out of fear. And when he couldn't break the door open with the cricket bat, he got the gun to shoot the lock ... why else would all four shots be aimed at door handle.. I think he was in such a rage by then he never thought about the fact that the bullets may hit her.... bang, bang, bang, bang, too late..and too sad.. He has to live with it from here on in and I hope it's really painful.

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I heard a noise the other night so, startled and scared, I jumped out of bed and did all the usual things: checked the windows, checked the patio door, hit the toilet door with a cricket bat, shot the girlfriend four times, then checked the front door and found it closed and locked.

No sign of any intruder, so I went back to bed :)

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Yeah ... but are your legs amputated at the knees ... :p ...

It makes all the difference when you're defending your actions .. :D

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I was intrigued in his not so subtle move away from the putative self-defence argument to one of apparent involuntary action whilst holding the gun.

Not a good move in my opinion whilst being cross examined. I think there was a realisation that if he admitted to shooting at 'anybody' within the bathroom he might be liable to a conviction of a lesser offence. The young child or unarmed burglar option he did not consider so to speak.

His testimony that he shouted at Reeva to call the police (and heard no response from her) before he shot is probably the most unbelievable and damaging of anything he said in my opinion. Also not good news for him was the fact that the judge intervened at one point and asked him why he was making so many mistakes whilst giving evidence. (Making lots of mistakes on the witness stand is a major side effect of lying in my experience.)

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Agree with this. The only part I am not sure on is whether the bullets were aimed at the door handle, I thought they were more dispersed.