Thank you Canadians.
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Re: Thank you Canadians.
Pulling out of Kyoto did damage Canada's reputation. The international press coverage was generally negative and I expect a few diplomats will have expressed their disappointment.
There will be no tangible consequences to this though; disappointment isn't going to translate into action.
There will be no tangible consequences to this though; disappointment isn't going to translate into action.
This time I'd fully expect the EU to categorize oil sand product as "dirty oil" and penalize all European companies for buying it.
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I have to confess that I don't really understand the oil sands; they just seem to be there to convert a relatively clean energy source into a dirty one and mess the place up in the process.
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Pretty much everybody. I know you'd prefer to forget / ignore this, but ....
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1753222/
...and that was after Canada's atrocious behaviour in Copenhagen. You can add
Durban and the contemptuous withdrawal from the Kyoto Treaty to the list.
(Not to mention the Oil Sands).
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1753222/
...and that was after Canada's atrocious behaviour in Copenhagen. You can add
Durban and the contemptuous withdrawal from the Kyoto Treaty to the list.
(Not to mention the Oil Sands).
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I have to confess that I don't really understand the oil sands; they just seem to be there to convert a relatively clean energy source into a dirty one and mess the place up in the process.
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Everybody knows this but the present Canadian (and one or three provincial governments) are in thrall to (mostly foreign) oil companies. "In thrall" is putting it kindly, "have been bought by" is nearer the mark.
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Google (and better sources) will confirm that you're about right. It's most likely nearer 1.5, but even that doesn't include the costs of water remediation, air pollution, negative population health outcomes, ecological disruption etc.
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(Edit: The oil drum is where I looked
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3839
And this table:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/Tas_...EROI-Table.PNG)
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Yeah, the internet says somewhere in the range of 1.5 and 5 depending on how you measure it.
(Edit: The oil drum is where I looked
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3839
And this table:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/Tas_...EROI-Table.PNG)
(Edit: The oil drum is where I looked
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3839
And this table:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/Tas_...EROI-Table.PNG)
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http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/11-134-eng.asp
This is Flaherty's very own propaganda site, but you'll get the drift.
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Because when you look at the energy accounting for the whole process, it's a rubbish resource. Much more money and other benefits could be achieved by investing in renewables and conservation instead.
Everybody knows this but the present Canadian (and one or three provincial governments) are in thrall to (mostly foreign) oil companies. "In thrall" is putting it kindly, "have been bought by" is nearer the mark.
Everybody knows this but the present Canadian (and one or three provincial governments) are in thrall to (mostly foreign) oil companies. "In thrall" is putting it kindly, "have been bought by" is nearer the mark.
Yeah, the internet says somewhere in the range of 1.5 and 5 depending on how you measure it.
(Edit: The oil drum is where I looked
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3839
And this table:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/Tas_...EROI-Table.PNG)
(Edit: The oil drum is where I looked
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3839
And this table:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/Tas_...EROI-Table.PNG)
Not quite that. But this...
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/11-134-eng.asp
This is Flaherty's very own propaganda site, but you'll get the drift.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/11-134-eng.asp
This is Flaherty's very own propaganda site, but you'll get the drift.