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Danny B

I think there should be exceptions for giving the death penalty in countries where it is not legal. This is one of those times.

I purposely haven't read all the gory details, but I am amazed the suspect was captured alive.

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dave_j

My mother had a phrase that she'd wheel out on occasions, 'There are more out than in', meaning that not all disturbed people get put away.
In this case, you have an obsession, no doubt fed by utterances from those who should know better, that immigration and antipathy towards some religions, is something to be resisted by slaughtering anyone who fits the description.
The madness behind this doctrine is made even more obscene since it seeks to explain the actions of a white australian supposedly defending his european heritage and you must ask yourselves how such ideas germinate in the first place.
You don't have to dig deep into australian, canadian or US, history for that matter to unearth the inhuman actions of white 'settlers' against anyone not considered white enough or who just happened to live where white invaders wanted to be.
As a white boy growing up in england, I was intrigued by a world covered in pink and the legacy of an empire over which the sun never set. My geogaphy books were full of pictures of the masai tending herds in africa or the tattooed maori in far off new zealand. The history books were full of the exploits of Clive of India and General Gordon. The world was described as being peaceful under the benevolence of empire.
But, as we now understand, this was an exercise in propaganda, not so much to hide the truth, as to ignore it completely.
I've often said that not enough people understand their own history, If they did they might take a different view of the iraqi fleeing from a country invaded once again by a western power, running from a country whose borders were drawn by other westerners irrespective of tribal boundaries, or the syrian running from a civil war encouraged and supported by anti-Assad westerners.
We, whites, we descendants of those invaders who, even now find ourselves immigrants in other conquered lands, should realise that we should tread lightly in the hope that those who were here before us don't behave as badly as this australian bigot has.

scilly

Seemingly the guy had plans to attack a third mosque "if he could make it there"

Shard

Yes, quite a contrast between Jacinda and Trump...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-and-integrity

Edo

The hypocrisy of New Zealand's "this is not us" claim.

Shard

I don't know enough about to NZ to judge. Incredibly impressed with Jacinda, she is putting so many world leaders to shame with her empathy and her effectiveness on dealing with the gun issue. There certainly seems to be an outpouring of grief and solidarity. This tragic event elevated my impression of NZ as peaceful and inclusive society, but who knows there may be cracks in it. Many countries have a negative history with indigenous peoples which they are only now confronting. Hypocrisy seems quite a heavy charge for a young country.

jeremy brewer

Shard

What aspect do you not like? Gun control?

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Almost Canadian

Because, of course, those that wish to use such weapons to injure people are well known for wanting to have their weapons registered.

dbd33

I don't see that at all. In the video we see shot after shot being blasted and magazines being changed in a moment. No one, outside of a war, needs that firepower. The NZ government's new policy seems sensible and the phase in process reasonable. No guns will be created by it.

Shard

Did you actually watch that video? I certainly didn't.

I think the NZ immediate ban is also a good signal to the US, that gun control does not need to be a tortuous process. Britain should know, post Dunblane.

Almost Canadian

The US already knows that but doesn't care enough.