Teachers and the use of language
 

I am curious to know how various phrases especially "oh! You lazy girl." Is interpreted in Canada and the Uk in classrooms.
Would it be considered offensive?


Ruby

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If you wouldn’t say it to a colleague don’t say it to a student. It’s just rudeness. That said, I wouldn’t make a massive deal of it if someone said it to one of mine. They have to learn manners, but they also have to learn that not everyone has them.

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I think it's a compliment in Canada.

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Why is it a compliment?

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Never talk to children aggressive it’s against their person rights

Remember no one wins, no one loses, everyone gets an A, no one fails and you be up to speed with modern day schooling

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:rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Hang on. I've done my usual of scanning and misreading turns out the teacher didn't say "lazy git" but "lazy girl". Lazy git would be fun, lazy girl? Is she a girl and is she lazy? Was it said as a joke? In front of everyone?

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Depends which gender it is directed at, or maybe a negative gender!

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It was humourous. Not in front of everyone. She is capable of good work but chose not to produce sufficient work.

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Can you explain, please.

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Sounds fine to me then

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Thank you!

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I was discussing my granddaughter's teaching with my daughter the other day and the subject of learning 'tables' crept in.

I explained that at my primary school, long long ago, we had a board showing a grid with pupils names down one side and the numbers 2 to 12 across the top. We were learning tables and when we could recite a set correctly a star was placed in the appropriate column against your name. It was there for all to see and invoked competition for us at a very young age.

'Ah' she said 'Don't think that'll be allowed today'.

It's always puzzled me that we can't allow competition to creep into school learning but we scream with enthusiasm when the little tykes beat each other up trying to put a ball over a line or smash each other on the head with a stick in order to bounce a small piece of rubber around an ice rink. Methinks this competitive impulse could be better spent where it could do some good.

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I couldn't agree with you more.

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On a more serious note, it says more about the teacher and their lack of understanding and/or appreciation about the psychological complexities of learning.

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Yep, we are truly in an 'everyone's a winner' world these days. Plus everything is 'awesome'

I came to Canada between grade 11 and 12 back when they also had grade 13 so I did grade 12 and 13 here in Ontario. I got an average from my best 6 grade 13 credits of 81% and got into the programme I wanted. Back then if you got an average of over 80% you got a $100 award from the Ontario government (this was 1983). Probably at my high school of 250 grade 13 grads maybe 25% or so got 80% or more.

Fast forward to 2018 and surprise, surprise any financial award is gone and it seems at my son's high school 80% of the students get a grade 12 average of 80% or more. Probably 30% get 90% or more. Crazy marks yet they deny grade inflation. There are kids getting 95% in subject like english, french, history etc.

Rant over.

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We had the tables thing at my school. But I never had any sense that it was competitive. I didn't admire the people who were further ahead than me nor did I think less of those behind me. I can't recall anything other than "great, I got the next one" as each kid succeeded.

So long as you get a balance and different opportunities for kids to succeed.

In class, we had the tables, spelling and other tests so someone might be good at geography and someone else at Maths. We had projects too, so there was a chance to be knowledgable about a specialist subject.

We had Rugby and Netball, but also Tunnel Ball, egg and spoon race, sack race, three legged race....all needing different skills, strength co-ordination etc. Most could excel at something.

Similar at the comprehensive. If you couldn't run fast, maybe you could run slow and you were better at Cross country running. If not particularly 'fit' maybe the shot-put was your thing. If you were a beanpole you could high jump.

Everyone could be a winner, not through lack of competition, but through plenty of it.

Even the chess nerds were looked on differently when Boris Spassky and Bobby Fischer were on the news every night. :lol:

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Spelling bees still happen and it's a bigger competition now than it ever was, culminating in national and international televised finales with big prizes. In the early 60's our grade 3 and 4 teacher divided the classroom into 2 sides and we competed as teams until only 1 student was left standing, and it usually came down to Marylin Hnatiew and myself standing across from each other to break the tie. Ahhh, glory days.... I don't remember any resentment or even hard looks from those who got to sit down and be out of it early.

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Very rude and detrimental in my opinion.

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Depends on the teacher, the child, the grade, the relationship between them.

When I was at school I had a propensity for turning in "adequate" work that would get me a passing grade but that required the bare minimum of effort. I knew, and my teachers certainly knew, that I was capable of better, and we all absolutely knew that fundamentally it was laziness preventing a better standard of work. I was called out on it frequently (not that I gave a stuff, of course) and couldn't possibly take offence because I knew that they knew that I knew they were right...

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I would dislike being called 'girl' even in that sentence. By all means call me lazy but say 'You're being a bit lazy Penny'. Flashback to my entire school life. :lol:

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I still have a school report from primary school.

"A conserver of energy".

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My kids used to complain about having to do history "there's no history in Canada, it's another year of the Plains of Abraham".

I'd tell them that, since there's so little to learn, they should get 100%.

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Good one. Plains of Abraham, pioneers, repeat repeat.

I find that teachers are afraid to give a 'poor' mark. You really have to screw up, and repeatedly not take advantage of 2nd chance tests etc. Deadlines to submit assignments that are marked don't really mean much as the teachers never really deduct marks for handing it in late etc. So basically great training for the real world. :eek::eek::eek:

My father (retired 20 years from being a prof in the sciences at U of T) was the chair of the admissions committee for his department and he saw the incoming marks increase over time with no noticeable improvement in the knowledge of the students.

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It serves the student no good service to falsify assessments of their progress, and it's an abrogation of responsibility not to push students to achieve to the very best of their ability.

Allowing children to progress at their own pace will allow them to do what children always do, play the game, and systems of education should recognise this.

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I'm not sure why that is such a big deal. The plains were not that big, even then, and the battle was over in an hour with only a couple of hundred killed.

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I still remember getting pulled out of the classroom by a teacher yanking on my right ear. I was marched like this all the way to the Head Masters office.

Never did me any harm and I certainly would not have any objections to a teacher using words such as lazy boy/girl to my children.

Kids these days don't even know they're born. Bloody snowflakes the lot of them.

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Is this you?

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what about" do your Maths the Canadian way"!!! my daughter was taught in Scotland to do the sum?problem in her head,not primary but it was middle school she went into in rural MB. Well she would get the correct answers near every time but would be marked down as wrong because she didn't show how she got to the answer. There was me thinking in real life doing it in your head was the way to do it ,,,not scribbling down on bits o paper.

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'use of language" ..My OH got called in to school because my daughter said she had brought a flask on a trip.(called before they left on the trip). Seems it is not a flask but a thermos....a flask is for booze. My OH let them know in no uncertain terms to check things out before wasting her BLDY time on a *****wild goose chase.and lets not go into "A horrible child" said in a conversation with a teacher. Seems to sound like something very upsetting to the schoolteacher when said in broad scots.

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Not so, everybody makes mistakes. If you're provinding answers to problems then they need to be checkable and getting into the routine of providing evidence as to how a result has been arrived at is not only good practice it is essential.

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As was explained to my daughter (who also does math in her head), "You can have a cure for cancer, but if you can't show how you came up with it it doesn't exist".

I would be pissed about a teacher using the words "lazy girl" to my daughter. There are countless reasons why a child may not be working to their full potential at any given time. Many of which are none of the teacher's concern. If a teacher has a problem with how my child is performing then they should be discussing it with me and not telling a child that they're lazy.

Someone else said it up thread - if you wouldn't say it to a colleague, then don't say it to a child. Ask yourself how you'd like to hear a student call you a lazy girl?

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I left school at 16 average across the board .maths slighty below ave....but my second job at 17 it was self employed with a logging crew and me being the loader/forwarder driver and the pay was calculated by lineal ft loaded...no scrap paper out in the wet..all had to be done in your head!and that was part of my job. so very quickly my addition /math became spot on and put in my pocket book every hr. even 40yrs later I can add /subtract very quickly/accurately. so sometimes providing evidence is not essential.

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I agree that sometimes where environmental issues or speed are involved it's not possible or convenient to write down calculations, but these calculations tend to be simple. More complex calculations, even where they include simple components should always be recorded for others to inspect. I take your point though, in my youth I regularly operated as a darts marker and quick accurate metal arithmetic was a must although even here the result was recorded for scrutiny.

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Maybe she was a girl and maybe she was lazy

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When out with small children they often say 'that man has a very big nose' etc but they generally learn eventually that most people don't do this.

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It's a lesson in honesty. The teacher tells the girl she's lazy, which gives the girl the opportunity to tell the teacher what she thinks of her, be it stupid, lazy, unprofessional, sloppy, whatever. The youth are our future.