Originally Posted by montreal mike

top jobs ?

probably not so in Accounting

I found out most do not stick around long enough to make partner

Many will have children and it doesn't fit in their lifestyle

But the point is that women sure have progressed

Originally Posted by MillieF

India is evidently different (not on the politician front) although I backpacked round there several times and was uncomfortable at times...much like here.

Originally Posted by Tirytory

That's sort of the point though... There are some stats around somewhere about the amount of women on boards around somewhere. Few women make the top regardless of children, and are women not capable to do both. So I guess women can't have it all MM? Is that a different topic?

Originally Posted by MillieF

Yes, we've done really well, even in accounting if we take our shoes and socks off we can get as far as 20.

Give me strength

Originally Posted by montreal mike

Probably another topic. But you are right.

Originally Posted by montreal mike

Well then you should have been there in the early sixties

Originally Posted by MillieF

Thankfully I hope they are a dying breed...but Canada being a bit behind the times might take it longer to work through the system

Originally Posted by MillieF

I've lived in two out of those three as it happens. That's what makes me so cross. I have always been treated pretty well in the Middle East and North Africa...on a daily basis one lives with a casual disregard for the female here in North America that I have never experienced in Europe. It's so talked about in third world countries, they are aware of their shortcomings, and have a strong educated female network that help to make women an active subject for discussion. Many Middle Eastern and African countries are particularly deferential, and have had female politicians...India is evidently different (not on the politician front) although I backpacked round there several times and was uncomfortable at times...much like here.

Come to visit me outside the Morgantaler clinic at 7am in the morning whilst people shove banners in the faces of distressed young women who have no financial support from the Province if they decide to terminate a pregnancy, or my friend who works for the Rape Crisis Centre...once again, unfunded.

How come the majority of people who get to Death Row in the States are Black?

If I were going to reinstate Capital Punishment, I'd like to know that all the populace knew the rules....and we'd all started from the same standpoint.

There are lots of great things in North America being female, black, poor or unrepresented and alone isn't probably one of them.

Originally Posted by Novocastrian

And Montreal Mike should just stop starting these rather silly trolling threads, IMHO.

Originally Posted by MillieF

Whilst discussing the weather here on Friday, after the snowstorm, a most eminent paediatrician here told me...."the weather here can be dreadful, so it's like rape...you just hope you can enjoy some part of it". A phrase like that I would never have heard in Europe, certainly not in mixed company in public from anyone with a modicum of education. Women are routinely treated as third class citizens in North America, why is it so shocking when it's elsewhere.

No. Capital punishment is wrong in all and every circumstance. Why it would appear to be a subject for discussion when it happens in India seems puzzling, when it's OK if it happens 'up the road' in the 'civilized' good old US of A.

I don't normally play with your 'incendiary' posts Montreal Mike, but I admit all....I am waiting in the car park for a kid who is having more fun than finding his mother!

Originally Posted by iaink

Capital punishment is wrong on so many levels that the answer is always no.

On a moral level we have no authority to take a life.
On a logical level it makes no sense to kill someone because they killed.
On a practical level there are so many cases of the guilty being found innocent in retrospect (yes, even convictions considered 100% secure) that it makes a mockery of the notion of justice.
On an economic level its more expensive to go through the legal appeals process and get to an execution than it is to lock somone up for life,
and from a law and order perspective there is no evidence that crime rates drop as a result of capital punishment.

Its just wrong wrong wrong.

Originally Posted by Shard

I don't agree "the answer is always no" and I think you mix up historical experience with what could be.

Moral authority > debatable - who's morals? and what morals?

Logical level > deterrent and outlet for revenge

Practical level > need to apply CP in absolute confirmed identity cases only

Economic level > see above on confirmed identity

Although we've been through this before Mr iank, I can't avoid pointing the inconsistencies in your argument.

Originally Posted by iaink

What deterent? There isnt a state out there with CP where murder rates are lower.

I dont expect pro CPers to understand morality.

Why have a double standard for guilt in murder cases in the case of CP? Either you are guilty beyond reasonable doubt or you are not. To insist on a higher level for the death penalty is a cop out and ignores the fact that has always been the requirement, and even now death row prisoners are proven to be innovent, as in the recent case of the guy on death row for 25 years!

Anyway, I dont wish to go over it all again, its just wrong and it doesnt work. The guilty and the innocent people are killed for no reason other than vengeance. That wouldnt work as a defence for the perpetrators, its shouldnt be accepted as a defence for the state.

Originally Posted by Shard

Our agreement to disagree stands.