DigitalGhost

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Immigration violations are only a misdemeanour offence in the US and most other western countries since that makes it easier to remove those found guilty swiftly and at a lower cost to the tax payer.

The problem is that the previous measures haven't acted as much of a deterrent hence this action has been taken to stem the tide. If people don't want to end up subject to those measures then the solution is decidedly simple. Don't attempt to obtain entry to the US without the proper paperwork.

Oakvillian

But that situation (obtaining entry without the required paperwork) is EXACTLY what international agreements on asylum are designed for. You are blaming the victims just as clearly as you would be if you blamed a rape victim for wearing a provocatively short skirt.

I notice that you've moved away from claiming this is not an abuse of human rights.

Try again...

chawkins99

If you don't want to face the consequences, don't try and enter the US illegally.

DigitalGhost

I don't think that it is a violation of human rights.

Again, I would like to point out that nobody should be claiming asylum upon arrival at a US land border.

Are these measures being taken against people who are already in America legally on a different status but are unable to return home due to war etc and are therefore claiming asylum on the basis of that?

Honestly though, as non-Americans I don't think that we have any say in this anyway. It's really up to the US how it treats clandestine arrivals on its own soil.

dave_j

The UK has just voted for BREXIT, in part because there is a perception that too much immigration is a bad thing. This was made more credible by videos showing groups attempting to enter the UK illegally from Calais by climbing fences and boarding lorries and the UK still does it's best to 'illegals' out.
The US has a long porous border with Mexico and similar arguments led to the Trump victory, but the UK has the 'Channel' for free whereas US has a piecemeal barrier and a potential 'Wall' at some financial and political cost.
The current US policy is bad, both humanitarianly and politically, but ask yourselves, what else can it do?
Much has been made of the plight of migrants, are they refugees or simply people wanting a better life? Thre's nothing wrong with either but for whatever reason, the US administration has adopted a policy of deterrence that is completely self defeating.
The US has a procedure for managing refugees applying for asylum but why bother with that when a short walk will cross the border at so many crossing points. From the US viewpoint this migration issue is out of control and it has become politically devisive.
The current US practice is intended to send a message but unfortunately it is sending the wrong message, and on top of so many other decisions that have been difficult to understand from both an international and domestic viewpoint it is in danger of condemning the US to a position on the humanitarian stage equivalent to some other disreputable regimes.
But cast the tears aside, at least unlike kids in the middle east they aren't being shot dead for throwing stones and unlike others in S America they aren't being killed 'to clean the streets'. Hard cases make bad law and hard videos create hysteria.
I'm not sure what the US can do to control immigration, but it is a sovereign country, it does have a system of laws and justice, it does try to act with some humanity but it's a case of irresistable forces and immovable objects, something has to give and in this case, it'll be the inertia of a public opinion, at unease with itself and how it'll be percieved to influence the upcoming elections, that'll determine how this US policy is manged from now on.

Novocastrian

Trump is about to back down on this abuse. I hope you'll keep defending it and making yourself look ridiculous as ever.

DigitalGhost

I'm not a Trump supporter. Far from it actually, I can't stand the son of a bitch.
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Almost Canadian

Thank you.

I tried a Google search but I could not turn up a situation that I referred to above and, with the greatest of respect, neither did you.

The article you posted suggests that they crossed the border illegally before applying for asylum.

If an asylum seeker turned up at a border crossing, applied for asylum and were then separated, that would be hideous. I don't feel the same way about those that illegally cross borders.

If preventing illegal border crossing is the goal, the recent "change in policy" appears to be effective, on the assumption that those with knowledge will not wish to impose such a situation upon their children. I accept that some do not wish to criticize the border crossers.

scrubbedexpat091

Donald Trump to sign executive order to curb family separation at U.S. border



https://globalnews.ca/news/4285513/donald-trump-paul-ryan-immigration-bill-families-end/?utm_source=GlobalNews&utm_medium=Facebook

DigitalGhost

And therein lies the point. The real goal is not to punish people. It's to prevent as many others as possible from trying to follow in their footsteps and save the US tax payer money in the long term.

scrubbedexpat142

In Hungary we were labelled as inhumane because the Police "threw" prepacked sandwiches at migrants (in fact they had to lob them over the heads of the aggressive young men who pushed their way to the front & snatched everything going). We were branded inhumane for asking migrants to register. We were branded inhumane for asking migrants to respect the authorities & the law. We were branded inhumane for offering accomodation to migrants. Now we are being branded inhumane for seeking to punish human traffickers.

DigitalGhost

The way Europe vilified Hungary for that was unforgivable especially since none of it was Hungary's fault in the first place and Hungary was well and truly screwed over by a couple of other countries in the EU.

magnumpi

DigitalGhost

More likely because of his wife criticising the policy in the media. Ofdonald doesn't tend to say very much and doesn't appear in the international press very often unless you count the gossip columns but the kind of leverage she has probably shouldn't be understated especially such an incestuous White House as the current one.

beckiwoo