magnumpi

DigitalGhost

There's a simple way to avoid situations like this. People need to stop attempting to violate US immigration law.

magnumpi

scrubbedexpat142

I find myself agreeing with DG, AGAIN!

The "Father" of this child was on TV this morning, saying, "my daughter doesn't deserve this". No s*** Sherlock.

DigitalGhost

This was happening under the Obama administration as well. It's just the numbers were lower, that's all.

The problem with today's internet culture is that it only takes one picture or a bit of audio to start a media circus and all the SJW's start flooding out of the woodwork demanding that the US changes its policy especially since many of them already will have it in for Trump to begin with.

Oakvillian

Christ, do you Trumpsters have no humanity at all? The law (8 USC s1325), as it existed and was enforced under previous administrations, allows for the "consideration for felony prosecution" of any individual crossing the border who has two or more previous misdemeanour improper entry convictions "with aggravating circumstances." It is this section of the Code that Jeff Sessions issued a memorandum earlier this year to enforce with "zero tolerance," effectively meaning that every immigrant who would otherwise be given a misdemeanour summons would be looked at for felony prosecution just-in-case. Since that entails holding the immigrant in federal custody, any minor children can't accompany them. And unaccompanied children are treated separately under the law, being put into the "protective custody" of HHS.

It is this travesty of reinterpretation of existing laws, of taking liberties (pun absolutely intended) with definitions of reasonable suspicion to use the "consideration for felony prosecution" line, as an excuse to incarcerate thousands of children, that is utterly incomprehensible to most civilized humans.

It is not the law. It is Jeff Sessions' edict, based on a bizarre misinterpretation of the law. There is no excuse for this - and if you support it you are absolutely on the wrong side of history and you absolutely deserve any insults that other posters on this forum choose to throw at you.

It's disgusting.
It's inexcusable.
It's horrific.

Almost Canadian

And it can be avoided completely by the parents if they choose to do so - they just have to cross the border at an appropriate crossing.

Hurlabrick

Bad idea to militarily invade the US - to paraphrase Arnhem 'there are far too many of you for us to take you all prisoner!'

Oakvillian

FFS. Read the news. Asylum seekers in the US who present at a border crossing to make their asylum claim are being detained under 8USC 3125 and having their children removed from them. This is not just people who cross in the middle of nowhere. The US immigration detention protocol is out of control and inhumane, by any measure.

But no, please continue to make excuses for US human rights abuses by blaming the asylum seekers.

DigitalGhost

They're not human rights abuses. They would be if they were shooting people but they're not doing anything like that.

And realistically nobody should be trying to claim asylum in the USA anyway unless they somehow managed to cross between Siberia and Alaska.

magnumpi

Almost Canadian

Could you please show me an article that suggests that the regulation you have referred to is being applied to those seeking asylum, that don't have previous misdemeanours, at border crossings.

Oakvillian

For example, and after a two-second Google search: there is a link in this article https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/174431...arated-parents to an ACLU page here https://www.aclu.org/cases/ms-l-v-ice - one specific example of a case where ICE's decision to separate a family who claimed asylum following all US laws was nevertheless separated.

For sure, the practice of separating families is less widespread at legal border crossings, but that's rather missing the point of the traumatic and inhumane treatment of minors on the excuse of holding their parents in federal detention for what would normally be a misdemeanour charge. It would be like taking children into federal custody and throwing a parent in prison awaiting trial for a speeding ticket.

Oakvillian

Taking a five-year-old from his or her parents and throwing the parents into federal prison for a misdemeanour offence is not an abuse of human rights?

Oh well, if that's your opinion you're welcome to it, but I'm very glad I don't share your views.

Oakvillian

For those of you in this thread trying to defend the current US Administration's policy on treatment of families claiming asylum, here's a helpful guide. I suggest you read it before claiming this is somehow not an utterly despicable - and entirely deliberate - policy ploy by the Administration to discourage future asylum claims by threat of family separation. It's sobering reading.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants...ily-separation