Religion
#46
Re: Religion
All religion is hypocritical! Bar non!! The sooner its all removed from modern day life the safer the world will be and the less problems!! Im Baptised by my parents choice but apathetic by my own! If god exists then he can show himself to me! I find it highly unlikely he does but there maybe a superior race out there from another planet that to stone throwing humans appeared god like! Religion was used to control the masses at a time they could not handle their own mortality and there was no sir robert peel inventing the police force.
Each to their own believers and non alike - nothing should be forced on others and everyone should be free to voice their opinion without it being an issue if u want to beleive in a hypocritical religion thats your choice!
#47
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my god (pardon the pun) you actually said something intelligent sensible and I agree with it!! wow!
#51
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no they don't, they can take an affirmation that they will tell the truth, without reference to god the bible and anything else.
#52
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No one is doubting his belief or faith, but i beg to differ. Various points in history are being quoted, some factual, some based on 'folklore', so a distinction is necessary. I am surprised at this comment given that all religion is nothing but intellectual argument and unfounded belief, yet this person argues to the contrary.
#53
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Question:
Has science ever made mistakes?
Have scientists ever been screwed up as human beings?
Have bad things been done in the name of science?
Have scientists ever done stupid things?
Newton believed in alchemy for instance. How could the guy who invented physics believe in alchemy? That's almost like believing there's no god, but there is a master race of aliens
Why do we attribute to science and/or religion many things which are in fact human traits? Arrogance, narrow-mindedness, stupidity, ignorance as well as endeavour, the search for meaning, goodness etc.
Feel free to question and search for meaning from what ever sources you wish. I would ask that you don't put down other's beliefs though, or attribute labels to a group.
Not all scientists are necessarilly introverted, socially inept misfits.
Not all science and technology has created global warming, the extinction of species and the destruction of the environment.
Also, all points of view are VIEWS FROM A POINT, and so are intrinsically narrow.
I am proud of my religion when it fights poverty and dictatorship, when it fights for the rights of the person, and when it is counter-cultural: the culture of consumerism, the culture of technology that alienates that which is human, the culture of narcisissm, the culture of greed.
What anyone else thinks about my religion I don't really give a toss.
Has science ever made mistakes?
Have scientists ever been screwed up as human beings?
Have bad things been done in the name of science?
Have scientists ever done stupid things?
Newton believed in alchemy for instance. How could the guy who invented physics believe in alchemy? That's almost like believing there's no god, but there is a master race of aliens
Why do we attribute to science and/or religion many things which are in fact human traits? Arrogance, narrow-mindedness, stupidity, ignorance as well as endeavour, the search for meaning, goodness etc.
Feel free to question and search for meaning from what ever sources you wish. I would ask that you don't put down other's beliefs though, or attribute labels to a group.
Not all scientists are necessarilly introverted, socially inept misfits.
Not all science and technology has created global warming, the extinction of species and the destruction of the environment.
Also, all points of view are VIEWS FROM A POINT, and so are intrinsically narrow.
I am proud of my religion when it fights poverty and dictatorship, when it fights for the rights of the person, and when it is counter-cultural: the culture of consumerism, the culture of technology that alienates that which is human, the culture of narcisissm, the culture of greed.
What anyone else thinks about my religion I don't really give a toss.
#54
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Sorry- but how do we know that?
I am afraid any evidence produced to say there isn't a God has thus far been severley lacking and that is being kind. Others might say the evidence is totally non existant.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...on-advertising
Here is a bus campaign by Atheist's. So disturbed by God that they felt obliged to waste money on a campain. Noticed that they used the word "probably" because they aren't sure or conclusive.
I am afraid any evidence produced to say there isn't a God has thus far been severley lacking and that is being kind. Others might say the evidence is totally non existant.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...on-advertising
Here is a bus campaign by Atheist's. So disturbed by God that they felt obliged to waste money on a campain. Noticed that they used the word "probably" because they aren't sure or conclusive.
Last edited by JamesM; Feb 21st 2009 at 10:51 am.
#55
Re: Religion
Just go to school or read The Bible- New Testament. You will see how many gospel teachings are used on a day to day basis.
Last edited by JamesM; Feb 21st 2009 at 10:52 am.
#56
Re: Religion
No I don't think you quite understand the non-believer
we're not asking you to prove anything, we may however point out that your proof may not be what you think it is
I would add that some scientists would go further to suggest that the available evidence would suggest that their is scant reason for the existence of a creator
and certainly enough is known about the fundamentals of the universe to suggest that its statistically more probable that there isn't a creator
we're not asking you to prove anything, we may however point out that your proof may not be what you think it is
I would add that some scientists would go further to suggest that the available evidence would suggest that their is scant reason for the existence of a creator
and certainly enough is known about the fundamentals of the universe to suggest that its statistically more probable that there isn't a creator
#57
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Re: Religion
All scientists do is carry out experiments in controlled environments based on a number of assumptions and variables. I wouldn't put to much faith in them- their view point changes every 10 years or so and this is usually driven by where their sponsorship money is coming from. I couldn't think of a more corrupt and hypocritical subject than science that has been used to influence humanity in the last hundred years, far more dangerous than any religion.
Science isn't about faith its about achieving the best possible understanding based on the available evidence,
sometimes you learn things that mean you have to re-arrange your view point and change some of your earlier assumptions
Relativity being one case in point
#58
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Re: Religion
its in the subtle difference of the message
Science : We think we're right based on our current evidence
Religion: We know we're right you just have to have faith in us
#59
Re: Religion
You used the term faith.........
Science isn't about faith its about achieving the best possible understanding based on the available evidence,
sometimes you learn things that mean you have to re-arrange your view point and change some of your earlier assumptions
Relativity being one case in point
Science isn't about faith its about achieving the best possible understanding based on the available evidence,
sometimes you learn things that mean you have to re-arrange your view point and change some of your earlier assumptions
Relativity being one case in point
Look at all the scientists in Britain who proved that Global Warming was natural and carbon dioxide from human beings were minimal. Not only are they attacked constantly by Environmentalists but because their theory is not inline with current Government mandate their funding has dried up and been withdrawn.
Simirlarly in the 1930's German scientists "proved" that superior athletes had fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes until an athlete called Jesse Owens turned up and completely blew their German athlete's away.
I read on Monday that Scientists had proven Coffee was bad for me and gave me throat cancer, then on Tuesday I read that Scientists had proven coffee was good for me and would help prevent dementia. On Wednesday I decided it was just best to enjoy my coffee and forget about the scientists!!!
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Re: Religion
The reality of modern science is that you have to achieve the result that satisfies the person funding the experimentation or you have the funding withdrawn.
Look at all the scientists in Britain who proved that Global Warming was natural and carbon dioxide from human beings were minimal. Not only are they attacked constantly by Environmentalists but because their theory is not inline with current Government mandate their funding has dried up and been withdrawn.
Simirlarly in the 1930's German scientists "proved" that superior athletes had fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes until an athlete called Jesse Owens turned up and completely blew their German athlete's away.
I read on Monday that Scientists had proven Coffee was bad for me and gave me throat cancer, then on Tuesday I read that Scientists had proven coffee was good for me and would help prevent dementia. On Wednesday I decided it was just best to enjoy my coffee and forget about the scientists!!!
Look at all the scientists in Britain who proved that Global Warming was natural and carbon dioxide from human beings were minimal. Not only are they attacked constantly by Environmentalists but because their theory is not inline with current Government mandate their funding has dried up and been withdrawn.
Simirlarly in the 1930's German scientists "proved" that superior athletes had fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes until an athlete called Jesse Owens turned up and completely blew their German athlete's away.
I read on Monday that Scientists had proven Coffee was bad for me and gave me throat cancer, then on Tuesday I read that Scientists had proven coffee was good for me and would help prevent dementia. On Wednesday I decided it was just best to enjoy my coffee and forget about the scientists!!!
peer review kicks in,
the hypothesis is tested by the group
If wrong another article will be published often by many others countering the argument and in a respectable scientific journal
The environmental argument was an unwise choice, massive peer review quashed that not funding
Last edited by MikeUK; Feb 21st 2009 at 1:07 pm.