Racialized?
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.
I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"? On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized? |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12863678)
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.
I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"? On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized? |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12863678)
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.
I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"? On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized? REminds me of the end of this sketch |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12863705)
I haven't heard the expression but my guess is that it seems from the idea of race as a social construct, people don't have race unless society says they do. Growing up in the mythical equal society of Canada no one has race but then the police whack them on the head for WWB or similar and, suddenly, they're racialated, or racialized, or what ev. This is not a line of thought I would advance in front of any aboriginal people.
I won't tell my husband's family that you said that. His brothers-in-law, nieces and nephews are all Mohawks. P.S. As are his sons and daughter and his granddaughters and grandson. His first wife was 100% Lakota. Therefore his children are 50% Lakota. |
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Trudeau has just used racialized umpteen time already during his morning address and it isn't finished yet.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12863705)
I haven't heard the expression but my guess is that it seems from the idea of race as a social construct, people don't have race unless society says they do. Growing up in the mythical equal society of Canada no one has race but then the police whack them on the head for WWB or similar and, suddenly, they're racialated, or racialized, or what ev. This is not a line of thought I would advance in front of any aboriginal people.
The way the politicians refer to racialized people, it appears to be that they are referring to those that are black, brown, Asian, aboriginal. In other words, anyone that is not caucasian. I was simply curious as to whether that is what they meant, or if they meant something else. |
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I wonder how many of us wonder when we see Trudeau walk back into his house after the morning briefings and question and non answer period we hope there isn't a cat or a dog within kicking distance :rofl:
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Originally Posted by Rete
(Post 12863778)
I won't tell my husband's family that you said that. His brothers-in-law, nieces and nephews are all Mohawks.
P.S. As are his sons and daughter and his granddaughters and grandson. His first wife was 100% Lakota. Therefore his children are 50% Lakota. |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12863809)
So, if a black person tells me I have white privilege, have they racialized me?
It seems that ignoring the local media has served me well I've never heard anyone say "racialized" and I hear the Canadian Prime Minister speak every couple of years when something happens in Canada and it's referenced on the BBC. If it's irksome why bother with it? |
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I would guess that it is the 6/20 post-Floyd parallel to "radicalized" as applied to muslims who take up weapons against degenerate westerners, or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to their vison of islam.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12863851)
I would guess not but we're talking about the perceptions of cradles, I don't think that's something one can understand without being one.
It seems that ignoring the local media has served me well I've never heard anyone say "racialized" and I hear the Canadian Prime Minister speak every couple of years when something happens in Canada and it's referenced on the BBC. If it's irksome why bother with it? Unfortunately, I have to appear in Court and, therefore, I have to give the impression that I know what they mean when they use such terms. I once tried, "Pardon me My Lady, do you mean "burgled", when you state "burglarized" as I have no idea what that actually means?" didn't go down too well when I once tried it! |
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12863866)
I would guess that it is the 6/20 post-Floyd parallel to "radicalized" as applied to muslims who take up weapons against degenerate westerners, or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to their vison of islam.
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Racial discrimination, race and racism (fact sheet) | Ontario Human Rights Commission
'the Commission describes people as “racialized person” or “racialized group” instead of the more outdated and inaccurate terms “racial minority”. “visible minority”, “person of colour” or “non-White”' So, in Ontario anyway, it's just someone who isn't white. I guess if you are white and subject to some sort of discrimination through belief, you are a religionized person, through disability, a disableized person, through orientation, a LGBTQIAized person and, through pomposity, a governmentalized person. |
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I noted that odd word in Justin's speech too? I took it as being seen in racial terms, a neologism of ethnic minority...oops I mean visible minority.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12863846)
Where I was going was that the aboriginal people in Canada are "raciallised", that is. marked out as members of a separate and lesser ethnic group, from birth. I don't think they would be supportive of the idea that there's a moment of "racialization".
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12863678)
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.
I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"? On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized? |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12863846)
Where I was going was that the aboriginal people in Canada are "raciallised", that is. marked out as members of a separate and lesser ethnic group, from birth. I don't think they would be supportive of the idea that there's a moment of "racialization".
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12864068)
Racial discrimination, race and racism (fact sheet) | Ontario Human Rights Commission
'the Commission describes people as “racialized person” or “racialized group” instead of the more outdated and inaccurate terms “racial minority”. “visible minority”, “person of colour” or “non-White”' So, in Ontario anyway, it's just someone who isn't white. I guess if you are white and subject to some sort of discrimination through belief, you are a religionized person, through disability, a disableized person, through orientation, a LGBTQIAized person and, through pomposity, a governmentalized person. |
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All this dashcam/mobile recording of police 'methods' is quite revealing. Cannot understand the actions of that Alberta RCMP that charged at the apprehended chief.
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From Wikipedia
"In sociology, racialization or ethnicization is the process of ascribing ethnic or racial identities to a relationship, social practice, or group that did not identify itself as such.[1] Racialization or ethnicization is often borne out of the interaction of a group with a group that it dominates and ascribes identity for the purpose of continued domination. While it is often borne out of domination, the racialized and ethnicized group often gradually identifies with and even embraces the ascribed identity and thus becomes a self-ascribed race or ethnicity. These processes have been common across the history of imperialism, nationalism, and racial and ethnic hierarchies." For example, describing Jews as misers, Irish people as stupid, black people as servants. or violent criminals, or Scots as drunks, or Canadians as boring. Some of these perceptions are more dangerous than others. |
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Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12867337)
From Wikipedia
"In sociology, racialization or ethnicization is the process of ascribing ethnic or racial identities to a relationship, social practice, or group that did not identify itself as such.[1] Racialization or ethnicization is often borne out of the interaction of a group with a group that it dominates and ascribes identity for the purpose of continued domination. While it is often borne out of domination, the racialized and ethnicized group often gradually identifies with and even embraces the ascribed identity and thus becomes a self-ascribed race or ethnicity. These processes have been common across the history of imperialism, nationalism, and racial and ethnic hierarchies." For example, describing Jews as misers, Irish people as stupid, black people as servants. or violent criminals, or Scots as drunks, or Canadians as boring. Some of these perceptions are more dangerous than others. Well, yes, calling people "cradles" is racializing them in the sense meant there but, in Ontario, as noted above, it's only non-white people who are racialized and all non-white people are racialized. |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12867519)
Well, yes, calling people "cradles" is racializing them in the sense meant there but, in Ontario, as noted above, it's only non-white people who are racialized and all non-white people are racialized.
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