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Almost Canadian Jun 8th 2020 2:12 pm

Racialized?
 
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.

I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"?

On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized?

dbd33 Jun 8th 2020 2:39 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12863678)
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.

I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"?

On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized?

I haven't heard the expression but my guess is that it seems from the idea of race as a social construct, people don't have race unless society says they do. Growing up in the mythical equal society of Canada no one has race but then the police whack them on the head for WWB or similar and, suddenly, they're racialated, or racialized, or what ev. This is not a line of thought I would advance in front of any aboriginal people.

Danny B Jun 8th 2020 3:21 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12863678)
I kept hearing this word used by Canadian politicians and hosts of political TV shows over the weekend.

I accept that North Americans struggle to speak the English language properly but what the hell is a person that has been "racialized"?

On the assumption that those that, North Americans, would say have been burglarized are those that have been burgled, what has happened to those that have been racialized?


REminds me of the end of this sketch

Rete Jun 8th 2020 4:27 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12863705)
I haven't heard the expression but my guess is that it seems from the idea of race as a social construct, people don't have race unless society says they do. Growing up in the mythical equal society of Canada no one has race but then the police whack them on the head for WWB or similar and, suddenly, they're racialated, or racialized, or what ev. This is not a line of thought I would advance in front of any aboriginal people.


I won't tell my husband's family that you said that. His brothers-in-law, nieces and nephews are all Mohawks.

P.S. As are his sons and daughter and his granddaughters and grandson. His first wife was 100% Lakota. Therefore his children are 50% Lakota.

Former Lancastrian Jun 8th 2020 4:40 pm

Re: Racialized?
 
Trudeau has just used racialized umpteen time already during his morning address and it isn't finished yet.

Almost Canadian Jun 8th 2020 4:52 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12863705)
I haven't heard the expression but my guess is that it seems from the idea of race as a social construct, people don't have race unless society says they do. Growing up in the mythical equal society of Canada no one has race but then the police whack them on the head for WWB or similar and, suddenly, they're racialated, or racialized, or what ev. This is not a line of thought I would advance in front of any aboriginal people.

So, if a black person tells me I have white privilege, have they racialized me?

The way the politicians refer to racialized people, it appears to be that they are referring to those that are black, brown, Asian, aboriginal. In other words, anyone that is not caucasian. I was simply curious as to whether that is what they meant, or if they meant something else.

Former Lancastrian Jun 8th 2020 5:00 pm

Re: Racialized?
 
I wonder how many of us wonder when we see Trudeau walk back into his house after the morning briefings and question and non answer period we hope there isn't a cat or a dog within kicking distance :rofl:

dbd33 Jun 8th 2020 5:45 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12863778)
I won't tell my husband's family that you said that. His brothers-in-law, nieces and nephews are all Mohawks.

P.S. As are his sons and daughter and his granddaughters and grandson. His first wife was 100% Lakota. Therefore his children are 50% Lakota.

Where I was going was that the aboriginal people in Canada are "raciallised", that is. marked out as members of a separate and lesser ethnic group, from birth. I don't think they would be supportive of the idea that there's a moment of "racialization".


dbd33 Jun 8th 2020 5:54 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12863809)
So, if a black person tells me I have white privilege, have they racialized me?

I would guess not but we're talking about the perceptions of cradles, I don't think that's something one can understand without being one.

It seems that ignoring the local media has served me well I've never heard anyone say "racialized" and I hear the Canadian Prime Minister speak every couple of years when something happens in Canada and it's referenced on the BBC. If it's irksome why bother with it?

Pulaski Jun 8th 2020 6:26 pm

Re: Racialized?
 
I would guess that it is the 6/20 post-Floyd parallel to "radicalized" as applied to muslims who take up weapons against degenerate westerners, or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to their vison of islam.

Almost Canadian Jun 8th 2020 8:02 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12863851)
I would guess not but we're talking about the perceptions of cradles, I don't think that's something one can understand without being one.

It seems that ignoring the local media has served me well I've never heard anyone say "racialized" and I hear the Canadian Prime Minister speak every couple of years when something happens in Canada and it's referenced on the BBC. If it's irksome why bother with it?

This isn't aimed at you but I am genuinely trying to understand what they mean.

Unfortunately, I have to appear in Court and, therefore, I have to give the impression that I know what they mean when they use such terms. I once tried, "Pardon me My Lady, do you mean "burgled", when you state "burglarized" as I have no idea what that actually means?" didn't go down too well when I once tried it!

dbd33 Jun 8th 2020 8:16 pm

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12863866)
I would guess that it is the 6/20 post-Floyd parallel to "radicalized" as applied to muslims who take up weapons against degenerate westerners, or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to their vison of islam.

So you think it refers to people who are fixated with race and there's an implied suggestion that their fixation leads them to do bad things. Like the Black Panthers, for example. In this reading does it apply also the Klan and other "fine people" or is it only non-whites who can be racialized? Is the expresion used on Fox?

dbd33 Jun 9th 2020 3:05 am

Re: Racialized?
 
Racial discrimination, race and racism (fact sheet) | Ontario Human Rights Commission

'the Commission describes people as “racialized person” or “racialized group” instead of the more outdated and inaccurate terms “racial minority”. “visible minority”, “person of colour” or “non-White”'

So, in Ontario anyway, it's just someone who isn't white. I guess if you are white and subject to some sort of discrimination through belief, you are a religionized person, through disability, a disableized person, through orientation, a LGBTQIAized person and, through pomposity, a governmentalized person.

Shard Jun 9th 2020 8:06 am

Re: Racialized?
 
I noted that odd word in Justin's speech too? I took it as being seen in racial terms, a neologism of ethnic minority...oops I mean visible minority.

Shard Jun 9th 2020 8:37 am

Re: Racialized?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12863846)
Where I was going was that the aboriginal people in Canada are "raciallised", that is. marked out as members of a separate and lesser ethnic group, from birth. I don't think they would be supportive of the idea that there's a moment of "racialization".

I suppose the word "lesser" depends on who is doing the so called racializing ? Certainly the indigenous people are active in maintaining their own distinct racial exclusivity.


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