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Old Jan 15th 2020, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by dbd33
It's not a crime but it is a stupid thing for most people to do since it's voting to put the interests of a small group of people ahead of those of most people. For what do people think the likes of Boris Johnson and JRM are more deserving than they are themselves?
But isnt the way each individual view left and right wing politics subjective? people have their individual reasons, there is no right or wrong its just a personal opinion.
I thought voting for Corbyn was a stupid idea, because I don't believe in his far left socialist policies....

I don't know how Boris Johnson and JRM got to where they are, and whether they are deserving of it...there was a certain amount of privilege they were born onto no doubt, however you can't tar all conservatives with that brush....Margaret Thatcher for example came from very humble beginnings as a green grocer's daughter, so that rules out birth privilege in the development of personal political views. The same way Tony Benn was from an aristocratic back ground but was a hard socialist...... politics is as individual as your fingerprints, and is subjective, so its wrong to make an assumption about a person just because of their political views, unless of course they are extreme
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
To be fair these are all recent articles about Kate, go back 10 years and she suffered a lot worse from the press than Meghan ever has. They followed her everywhere, made up derogatory names for her, they even published naked photos of her on her honeymoon. Meghan’s treatment has been a walk in the park by comparison with a lot of criticism being brought upon herself. Kate has paid her dues and earned their respect, Meghan has demanded respect from day 1. Yeah the whole thing is not nice but it’s par of the course of being in the spotlight. Diana, Fergie, and Camilla all suffered it too, race has nothing to do with it.
Spot on. Meghan is a Hollywood diva. Kate is not...she knew what she was marrying into and got on with it.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
To be fair these are all recent articles about Kate, go back 10 years and she suffered a lot worse from the press than Meghan ever has. They followed her everywhere, made up derogatory names for her, they even published naked photos of her on her honeymoon. Meghan’s treatment has been a walk in the park by comparison with a lot of criticism being brought upon herself. Kate has paid her dues and earned their respect, Meghan has demanded respect from day 1. Yeah the whole thing is not nice but it’s par of the course of being in the spotlight. Diana, Fergie, and Camilla all suffered it too, race has nothing to do with it.
You tell Danny Baker that.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 3:47 pm
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You tell Danny Baker that.
One guy making an ill thought out joke doesn’t make the whole media and the general populations dislike of her racist.
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
race has nothing to do with it.
Apologies for linking to the Mail but this is a directly racist attack:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Markles.html

Lots more referenced here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/o...nce-harry.html
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I don't know how Boris Johnson and JRM got to where they are...
Perhaps they were born into poverty, excelled at their comprehensive schools, rose through a meritocracy and then decided to pull the ladder up after them. Perhaps not.
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This sums the situation up rather nicely:

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This sums the situation up rather nicely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbE0El17H00
It does indeed. You probably should have put a strong language warning on it though


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Originally Posted by dbd33
Apologies for linking to the Mail but this is a directly racist attack:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Markles.html

Lots more referenced here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/o...nce-harry.html
The headline is a bit weird but it’s not really racist to talk about where she grew up or where her mum lives. If she had nothing to do with area and they were purely linking it to her because of her ethnicity, THAT would be racist.

The other examples given are someone complimenting her beautiful exotic DNA and princess Michael of Kent wearing a broach that someone somewhere has decided could be considered inappropriate for some reason that’s not explained, and seemingly unbeknownst to her. None of this is racism.

I hate people using it this way and looking for it where it doesn’t exist. Some people suffer true racism hatred and to apply it so loosely to these minor situations cheapens the severity of the word.


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The headline is a bit weird but it’s not really racist to talk about where she grew up or where her mum lives. If she had nothing to do with area and they were purely linking it to her because of her ethnicity, THAT would be racist.
Compton is a famously dangerous black neighborhood. it's known to all as the place Niggers With Attitude came from. The Markles are not from Compton but the Mail managed to work the place into the headline. I think you'd need a hood and a rope to be more clearly racist.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
This sums the situation up rather nicely:
Quite brilliant, agree with Pie 100%.
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Quite brilliant, agree with Pie 100%.

Yeah, he's on form there.
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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
It does indeed. You probably should have put a strong language warning on it though
I have no quarrel with the Royals other than a tut tut here and there, but I read that the corgi's aren't house trained, and when they poop the housekeeping staff has to clean it up. I love you, your Majesty, but you should train your dogs.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by dbd33
Perhaps they were born into poverty, excelled at their comprehensive schools, rose through a meritocracy and then decided to pull the ladder up after them. Perhaps not.

In quoting my post about Boris and JRM you missed off this part... "...there was a certain amount of privilege they were born onto no doubt" so I am not disagreeing with you.... just saying you cant tar every conservative or every liberal with the same brush....

Your not alone though, many people do from both sides of the political spectrum.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
Compton is a famously dangerous black neighborhood. it's known to all as the place Niggers With Attitude came from. The Markles are not from Compton but the Mail managed to work the place into the headline. I think you'd need a hood and a rope to be more clearly racist.
Sorry my mistake, I don’t know LA that well and assumed they were the same area. Then yeah the headline is wrong (though it does say (almost)), but there’s nothing wrong with the article, it’s not racist to describe the area she is from, if anything it makes people think well done for making something of yourself after coming from a tough background. There were plenty of articles on Kate’s background, where she lived, and where she went to school etc. and she got a lot more flack coming from that middle class background.

Im just not buying into the people not liking her because of her ethnicity argument. They don’t like her because of her actions.
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