dbd33

To be fair, while the disabled may not be good for Canada, Canada is not good for the disabled. The child is not likely to be losing by being moved from rural Manitoba to civilization.

magnumpi

Fair enough DBD


School Quoted

“Quite simply, this child is in our school division and so therefore we educate this student regardless of any needs etc. It’s our job,” he said. “Whether this student is here or someplace else that won’t change our funding.”

neilg14

Having a disability is out of fashion now we've got the latest craze of gender identity.

macadian

Canada, liberal to the point of absurdity don't ya know....

CDNReturner

My sister posted this on Facebook and Troy is her son:

(BTW, we are both Canadian born and bred but I spent 25 years as an adult in the UK, hence why I'm a member of this forum)

"Sorry folks. I'm not able to move to any country I want to due to Troy's intellectual disability. People have had to leave their children behind for decades, even those born in Great Britain when we were still a Commonwealth state. Though I have sympathy for the situation, we have a system that has been broken for as long as I can remember and we cannot keep adding to it. If indeed, these people speak their truth and their daughter was not diagnosed after they became residents, then I can see a case. Outside of that, we need to take care of our own before we take care of others. I would welcome the opportunity to move to another country, even PROVINCE, but I cannot. 1) Because to another province he moves to the bottom of the list 2) to another country, he would be considered a medical burden"

magnumpi

Basically the system is wrong and needs updating to be inclusive of your sisters son, and not discriminate against the disabled in a manner that classes them as second class citizens who cannot contribute to society.

All people should be treated with the same respect, "Disabled Lives Matter" !!

The sooner the world is educated and begins to treat the disabled as equal the better the world will be for all.

Almost Canadian

But...

Canada's immigration system discriminates on age, language ability, academic ability and upon whether one has been employed in a recognised occupation for skilled workers. The medical issue is simply one factor that such applicants have to overcome.

magnumpi

But a person cannot learn to not be disabled can they ? It's not like learning English, getting a diploma or going to a trade school.

Also the OP is regarding education costs not medical, the girl is medically fit, for now.

Edit: where would I stand now I wonder if I had not gone directly for citizenship and instead just renewed my PR instead ? Would I be a burden and thus sent back to Britain as a no good heart treatment scrounger, a medical burden !! Eek

Almost Canadian

Citizenship or remaining as a PR has nothing to do with it. The burden you had to overcome was: Were you going to be an excessive cost to the Canadian taxpayer at the time you applied for PR? One assumes that you were not and, if that changes in the future, so be it.

Global has been running a report lately that the way the "excessive cost" has been calculated is incorrect and, if this proves to be the case, I imagine that there will be changes made to the system but, unfortunately, for those it applies to, they will have to comply with Canada's rules if they wish to immigrate to Canada

dbd33

I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic here. Disabled people are not equal, they're disabled.

The immigration law, as I understand it, specifically deals with excluding people who will not contribute to society, who will make excessive demands on the social support systems such as healthcare. One can make a case that a civilized society should make provision for the support of its disabled citizens (a case not successfully made in Canada) but it's a stretch to argue that a society should make provision for the support of disabled people from elsewhere.

magnumpi

Canada supports able bodied people so why not extend that to the medically fit but disabled applicant ?

Anyhow, I can see a change coming on the horizon regarding this discrimination against the disabled when applicants start to contest its value in court.

Zoe Bell

As I understand it the claim is that the wrong figures have been used to calculate the "average cost" of a Canadian to the healthcare system
If this does prove to be the case then the most I can see happening is that they'll up the threshold amount

magnumpi

Almost, its to do with education, she is actually medically fit as a fiddle as they say

And as said before in this case the school has steady had its funding and quite happy to continue to accommodate the applicants daughter

Just to add, she hasn't even been properly diagnosed as ADHD yet, it's just a term being used to describe her current learning restrictions

BristolUK

Or incomplete ones.
In the original article there was a link about applications being rejected on incomplete data. I clicked on it believing it to be about immigration applications in general failing because applicants hadn't completed forms properly or hadn't provided the necessary supporting documents.

But it was about another disablement case and I initially thought they'd got the link wrong. Eventually I saw the doubts about the figures used and decided the headline wasn't the best choice of words to describe the report.

Zoe Bell

There's something off about this case. If you are rejected on excessive demand then you get a letter stating exactly what they are basing this on and you get a chance to appeal ( there have been people on this forum who have done exactly that)

As for the diagnosis of ADHD not being confirmed . I guarantee you that CIC haven't just pulled these conditions out of their arse, again there is a process. You have the medical, if it flags anything then specialist reports are gathered. You get a chance to view them , and add your own evidence on appeal if needed

I'm aware that this particular case the question is about educational funding ( note that excessive demand does not just apply to medical costs , it can be extra educational support, extra demand on social care or mental health services)

Again I can see that the school, is saying that they have the funding in place currently
but I'd imagine that the decision is based on two things that the sensationalist press coverage fails to mention. Namely
1) what is the long term likelyhood that this funding will continue to be needed in the future? Its fine to say it's in place now but 2,3, 4 years time?
2) is the fact that this child is receiving a benefit from this funding depriving a Canadian citizen of the funding?

I don't know the answers to these questions, neither do any of us but this is deeper than the "OMG Canada is soo mean" click baiting that this kind of journalism appeals to