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luvmeboys Feb 11th 2013 1:01 am
The Pope
 
:amen: Has resigned apparently!

which is odd isn't it?

600 years since the last one resigned, does he know something we don't :unsure:

Jingsamichty Feb 11th 2013 1:07 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by luvmeboys (Post 10537616)
:amen: Has resigned apparently!

which is odd isn't it?

600 years since the last one resigned, does he know something we don't :unsure:
That's it's a bit daft to have a completely knackered old octogenarian as your CEO?

iaink Feb 11th 2013 1:53 am
Re: The Pope
 
It is odd. But perhaps its a step towards modernising the church?

ninaDGBCA Feb 11th 2013 2:19 am
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In the German press he stated that "the world is changing quickly and one needs physical and mental strength to keep up with it. In the past months he felt like his strength was deteriorating quickly and he does not feel like he is capable of "being the captain on Petrus' ship" anymore. His health is not the best and he thought about stepping back for a few months." His brother lives in the town where I was born and was the musical director of the cathredral's boys choir school . So Joseph Ratzinger (Benedikt XVI) often came to visit his brother, who is in the church, too and therefore unmarried. I can just assume that being the Pope he didn't have the possibility to spend time with his brother Georg anymore. They are both old (85 and 89) and maybe just want to have some quiet and peace together.

MarkG Feb 11th 2013 3:29 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10537691)
It is odd. But perhaps its a step towards modernising the church?
Maybe he doesn't want to get bumped off like JP1.

iaink Feb 11th 2013 3:37 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 10537861)
Maybe he doesn't want to get bumped off like JP1.
More likely having been in the front row to watch it, he doesnt want to go on past his best by date like JPII?

Jingsamichty Feb 11th 2013 3:40 am
Re: The Pope
 
Step forward a recent convert to Catholicism.... Pope Tony Blair!!

mandymoochops Feb 11th 2013 3:45 am
Re: The Pope
 
Hmmmm I think something else might be a factor here, aren't popes (like I know!!!!!) expected to do the job til they die? An oath (or whatever it is they take) that I am assuming they don't take lightly. Their rise to the top would be full of rules and regulations of the church, and as the bloke in charge he more than anyone would feel duty bound to carry it on.

There we go again, some religious fella changing the rules to suit ................ ;) (thats tongue in cheek btw)

On a sensible note, if this is the real story then fair play to him for putting his foot down!

iaink Feb 11th 2013 3:52 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 10537898)
Hmmmm I think something else might be a factor here, aren't popes (like I know!!!!!) expected to do the job til they die? An oath (or whatever it is they take) that I am assuming they don't take lightly. Their rise to the top would be full of rules and regulations of the church, and as the bloke in charge he more than anyone would feel duty bound to carry it on.

There we go again, some religious fella changing the rules to suit ................ ;) (thats tongue in cheek btw)

On a sensible note, if this is the real story then fair play to him for putting his foot down!
Traditionally it is a job for life, but there are precedents for popes standing down (all be it not recently). This one did have a front row seat for watching his much loved predecessor slowly become less and less able to do the job effectively as old age caught up with him.

Lets not forget that hes 85, maybe he feels its time for someone younger and more energetic to take up the mantle and that its time for the tradition of being pope till you die to come to an end.

mandymoochops Feb 11th 2013 3:54 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10537916)
Traditionally it is a job for life, but there are precedents for popes standing down (all be it not recently). This one did have a front row seat for watching his much loved predecessor slowly become less and less able to do the job effectively as old age caught up with him.

Lets not forget that hes 85, maybe he feels its time for someone younger and more energetic to take up the mantle and that its time for the tradition of being pope till you die to come to an end.
He's not been pope for that long though has he, and it shouldn't come as a huge surprise that he was geting on a bit when he took the job. But I'm not quibbling that, I think at 85 he should be putting his feet up :thumbup:

iaink Feb 11th 2013 3:57 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 10537924)
He's not been pope for that long though has he, and it shouldn't come as a huge surprise that he was geting on a bit when he took the job. But I'm not quibbling that, I think at 85 he should be putting his feet up :thumbup:
7 years IIRC... How long does the average CEO stay in the job I wonder?

Thats probably about average... they keep electing old men to the job, but modern medicine (or better personal security, or a God thats not that interested in meeting them perhaps...) seems to keep them alive longer now, to the point where the brain and energy is done but the heart keeps beating...

Better to step aside before that point I guess.

ninaDGBCA Feb 11th 2013 4:04 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 10537898)
Hmmmm I think something else might be a factor here, aren't popes (like I know!!!!!) expected to do the job til they die? An oath (or whatever it is they take) that I am assuming they don't take lightly. Their rise to the top would be full of rules and regulations of the church, and as the bloke in charge he more than anyone would feel duty bound to carry it on.

There we go again, some religious fella changing the rules to suit ................ ;) (thats tongue in cheek btw)

On a sensible note, if this is the real story then fair play to him for putting his foot down!
A pope is elected for life time so he can't be "sacked ;)" but the catholic church law states that he can give up his duties as long as he does it free willingly and steps back from all church duties and public life within the church to not be able to influence the elections of the new pope. It further says that a priest has to be physically able to hold mass and in the pope's case it can be easily a 2 hour mostly standing Easter mass and blessings. So maybe he is just too tired and old. I just hope we get a more open and modern new pope.

energysolutions Feb 11th 2013 4:11 am
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A worthy successor? Seems to have bagfuls of energy and more liberal views?

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mandymoochops Feb 11th 2013 4:15 am
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I think I would prefer this one, and might even consider joining the club if he were :rofl:

energysolutions Feb 11th 2013 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 10537969)
I think I would prefer this one, and might even consider joining the club if he were :rofl:
A born leader and natural choice given his worldly wisdom as well as having a much broader vocabulary than my nomination ("Drink", "Arse", "Fe*k", "Girls", "Bra" seems to be his limit) but he`s MUCH too young at sub 75:rofl:

mandymoochops Feb 11th 2013 4:32 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by energysolutions (Post 10537989)
A born leader and natural choice given his worldly wisdom as well as having a much broader vocabulary than my nomination ("Drink", "Arse", "Fe*k", "Girls", "Bra" seems to be his limit) but he`s MUCH too young at sub 75:rofl:
But he wouldn't resign so soon would he ;)

Oink Feb 11th 2013 4:35 am
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10537627)
That's it's a bit daft to have a completely knackered old octogenarian as your CEO?
If they really want to modernize and be innovative why not promote a non Roman Catholic as Pope? Maybe a panda or giraffe, people would love that and it would give a nod to the Asian or African communities.

Jingsamichty Feb 11th 2013 4:39 am
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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10538026)
If they really want to modernize and be innovative why not promote a non Roman Catholic as Pope? Maybe a panda or giraffe, people would love that and it would give a nod to the Asian or African communities.
That's not a bad idea, but perhaps they could enter a new era of cross-faith tolerance by appointing someone like Abu Hamza for a stint as Pontiff.

Oink Feb 11th 2013 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10538035)
That's not a bad idea, but perhaps they could enter a new era of cross-faith tolerance by appointing someone like Abu Hamza for a stint as Pontiff.
I suspect there's strong support among many cardinals and bishops for someone like Spongebob or Peppa Pig as they would attach a younger demographic to the church.

Jingsamichty Feb 11th 2013 5:09 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10538047)
I suspect there's strong support among many cardinals and bishops for someone like Spongebob or Peppa Pig as they would attach a younger demographic to the church.
A valid point indeed, and one worthy of development. But having the like of Abu Hamza as the Holy See would give the cardinals penetration into new developing markets where there's a bit less emphasis on 'rights'....

jimmydean Feb 11th 2013 5:12 am
Re: The Pope
 
Is the pope catholic?

energysolutions Feb 11th 2013 5:48 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10538114)
A valid point indeed, and one worthy of development. But having the like of Abu Hamza as the Holy See would give the cardinals penetration into new developing markets where there's a bit less emphasis on 'rights'....
Havent they had enough of that?:ohmy:

jimmydean Feb 11th 2013 6:16 am
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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10538026)
promote a non Roman Catholic as Pope?.
Promoting a non-Nazi would be a step in the right direction..... maybe they can then move on to pretend Roman Catholics........such as Tony Blair..... before finally arriving at the selection of a non-Roman Catholics...

orly Feb 11th 2013 8:25 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10537691)
It is odd. But perhaps its a step towards modernising the church?
I'm sure the next Pope will be at least "pension age"

Shard Feb 11th 2013 9:58 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10538114)
A valid point indeed, and one worthy of development. But having the like of Abu Hamza as the Holy See would give the cardinals penetration into new developing markets where there's a bit less emphasis on 'rights'....
This is bass ackwards. Abu Hamza and crew are already penetrating British and European markets and dispensing with quaint notions of tolerance and modernisation.

The4BellsLondon Feb 11th 2013 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by ninaDGBCA (Post 10537946)
A pope is elected for life time so he can't be "sacked ;)" but the catholic church law states that he can give up his duties as long as he does it free willingly and steps back from all church duties and public life within the church to not be able to influence the elections of the new pope. It further says that a priest has to be physically able to hold mass and in the pope's case it can be easily a 2 hour mostly standing Easter mass and blessings. So maybe he is just too tired and old. I just hope we get a more open and modern new pope.
Did you get their autographs?

caretaker Feb 11th 2013 10:10 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by jimmydean (Post 10538307)
Promoting a non-Nazi would be a step in the right direction...
You think being in the Hitler Youth makes him a Nazi? If anything it makes him a child soldier by our definitions. His skeleton isn't the war, it's the covering up he did of church sex abuse back in Germany before he was pope, and iirc he apologized for that, (to what degree I don't recall either).

castra Feb 11th 2013 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 10538729)
You think being in the Hitler Youth makes him a Nazi? .
He was only following orders......

bats Feb 11th 2013 10:20 am
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Originally Posted by castra (Post 10538740)
He was only following orders......
There was no choice about being a member of Hitler Youth.

bats Feb 11th 2013 10:22 am
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Well I am guessing his successor will be another old man. ;).

Hawk13 Feb 11th 2013 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10538114)
A valid point indeed, and one worthy of development. But having the like of Abu Hamza as the Holy See would give the cardinals penetration into new developing markets where there's a bit less emphasis on 'rights'....
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10538695)
This is bass ackwards. Abu Hamza and crew are already penetrating British and European markets and dispensing with quaint notions of tolerance and modernisation.
Where the hell are the Mod's? You can't use these words when discussing the Pope or the Church

ninaDGBCA Feb 11th 2013 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon (Post 10538726)
Did you get their autographs?
:lol: Nope never saw a single pope. And regarding the Nazi thing. From 1939 it was legally required to join the Hitler Youth once a boy turned 14. He was born in a village in deepest Bavaria where not sending your child to the HJ would have been equally bad as shouting out loud than one disagreed with Hitler. He could have apologised a bit more for the "church sex abuse cover up" though and I am not sure that he really meant it.
I am sure it'll be another pope in the late 70s at least.

bats Feb 11th 2013 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10538780)
Where the hell are the Mod's? You can't use these words when discussing the Pope or the Church
Swooned clean away I imagine. Iain lying in a heap being slapped into conciousness, Christmasoopma sniffing salvalataly and waving her arms in a fervour. Oh a mod's life is harsh.

Hawk13 Feb 11th 2013 10:42 am
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Well, if the Mod's are away...


The Pope and Queen Elizabeth were standing on a balcony beaming at thousands of people in the forecourt below.

The Queen says to the Pope out of the corner of her mouth, "I bet you a tenner that I can make every English person in the crowd go wild with just a wave of my hand."

The Pope says, "No way. You can't do that."

The Queen says, "Watch this."

So the Queen waves her hand and every English person in the crowd goes crazy, waving their little plastic Union Jacks on sticks and cheering, basically going ballistic.

So the Pope is standing there thinking, "Uh oh, what am I going to do? I never thought she'd be able to do it."

So he thinks to himself for a minute and then he turns to her and says, "I bet you I can make every Irish person in the crowd go wild, not just now, but for the rest of the week, with just one nod of my head."

The Queen goes, "No way, it can't be done."

Spoiler:
So the Pope headbutts her.




Now that's a Pope that might bring about change.

energysolutions Feb 11th 2013 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10538780)
Where the hell are the Mod's? You can't use these words when discussing the Pope or the Church
I see those words in the same sentence as "Pope" or "Church" quite a bit.....:huh:

Hawk13 Feb 11th 2013 10:51 am
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by energysolutions (Post 10538802)
I see those words in the same sentence as "Pope" or "Church" quite a bit.....:huh:
and the "smilie" is spot on for the face that you'd make if you did

energysolutions Feb 11th 2013 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10538811)
and the "smilie" is spot on for the face that you'd make if you did
Indeed - it just looked "right":lol:

ExKiwilass Feb 11th 2013 1:48 pm
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They're touting a Canadian as the next Pope in teh G&M, I guess hiring Canadians is getting trendy

mandymoochops Feb 11th 2013 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10539069)
They're touting a Canadian as the next Pope in teh G&M, I guess hiring Canadians is getting trendy
maybe doing a 180. They must have had a meeting and said "look guys we f****d up a bit with the last one, I mean hitler youth FFS :frown: we need to pick someone the polar opposite of this ....................."

MarkG Feb 11th 2013 4:05 pm
Re: The Pope
 
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10539069)
They're touting a Canadian as the next Pope in teh G&M, I guess hiring Canadians is getting trendy
Hopefully they pick a young one, the next pope is supposed to be the last before the end of the world.


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