BristolUK

Some people voted to leave. For change. 37% voted for change, 63% didn't vote for change.
Some people. Not "the" people. Not the country. Not the nation. Just over a third. Some people. Some people outnumbered by almost 2-1.
Except that when asked why they voted for Brexit the reasons stated were a variety of the "etc" you didn't mention (together with some things that were not EU related and some things that could have been achieved while maintaining the EU status quo) and some things that were only partly EU related and did not require a no-deal Brexit.

All of those 37% did not vote for the complete cut-off, no-deal, anymore than those voting to remain were 100% happy with staying and no changes.

BristolUK

Just think about that for a few seconds.

This is a bit like some undiscovered Island tribe sacrificing a virgin to some malevolent god and just standing by watching.

dave_j

Absolutely, but it has happened. Some groups did engage in sacrifice. It isn't logical to us but these groups allowed it to happen and to them it made sense. Applying our values ensure that we can never understand their reasoning.. you have to think like them.
To understand the leave vote you must try to understand their mindset, their values are not the same as yours.

dave_j

You may be right, we'll see won't we.

Shard

Cultural relativism - no thank you.

dbd33

I mildly object to the idea that I've been burying my head in the sand. I thought Brexit was just what the locals here call a "hissy fit". I've asked repeatedly if there was a rational argument for it, just in case I missed it. All we've had is fishing rights and kicking out the foreigners.

The whole thing reminds me of a daughter, then teenaged, tearing up her Platinum card and throwing it at me. She now lives in Afghanistan. I can only wish the same outcome for Johnson, Cummings and Farage.

Shard

Citizens, as that's the parallel with the EU.

Paul_Shepherd

And the fact that the whole EU is increasingly heading towards a United States of Europe concept, which a lot of people don't want, as it would never work.

Almost Canadian

No it isn't. One is a country, one is a collection of countries.

Jingsamichty

My neighbour, who voted Brexit because he didn't like the fact that a Portugese food shop opened up on the site of an old "proper English" jewellery (tat) shop, is now, mercifully, dead. Hopefully one of million since 2016.

Shard

I see. Wouldn't it be good if the "collection of countries" could agree some kind of mechanism, an international treaty perhaps, that afforded them the efficiencies of the one big country. I know it's nice to keep one's head in the 1970's, but wouldn't a bit of geopolitical evolution be a good thing? Do you think there might be some synergies to be had?

Shard

Paul, you are so out of touch and out of date on modern Europe that it is embarassing. It is working. A lot of people do want it.

BristolUK

I think the issue is that some - enough to make a difference - don't actually have any reasoning. Or they are factoring in some incorrect data.

Shard

We've been enjoy this video on another thread. One of the fine Brexit folk giving some solid reasons for getting OUT.

Almost Canadian

I respectfully suggest you go back and read what I have actually said, rather than what you think I have said. I have constantly stated that, had I voted, I would have voted to remain.

Please argue against my arguments and leave the personal attacks in your head where they belong.