Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

Just compare the way the UK's politicians have handled this, with the way the EU's politician's have. I am confident that, behind the scenes, main EU leaders would be willing to deal with the Irish border issue but, publicly, they are standing firm with Ireland. The EU has not incentive to move from its current position if it believes that the UK will never actually allow Brexit to occur but will simply delay the matter indefinitely.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

Trade is conducted all over the world and it works well. Clearly, trade between the UK and the EU post Brexit will be different than it is now but, eventually, a trade agreement will be achieved and life will return to normal, insofar as trade is concerned. However, the "will they, won't they" current situation will be massively affecting the decisions that businesses involved with UK/EU trade will have to make, which is not good for any of them. Once the position is know, they can deal with it but the ending delay upon delay helps no one.

Originally Posted by BristolUK

Which is the more likely then, that you are mistaken about nothing having changed or that Boris is misleading everyone when he says he's made substantial progress.

Originally Posted by dbd33

I intended "ordinary people" to mean people who won't make fortunes shorting the pound so just about everyone except, perhaps, Jacob Rees Mogg and Joe Lewis. I suppose de-nationalized healthcare would be financially beneficial to some doctors who are not, themselves, in need of healthcare. There would be a few winners. As far as I can see though most leavers consciously choose to vote against their interests. I wonder what they think is it in for them. If it's just "kicking out the French" (or whichever nationality is out of fashion today) then there's no need to leave to do that. If it's a desire for un-iced kippers, again that could be achieved within the EU.

Originally Posted by Shard

Yes, the current uncertainty helps no one. May wasted a lot of time.

Originally Posted by dave_j

Hmmm... Well you've chosen a slice of the UK electorate that's not doing too badly to start with.
I refer you to https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...s-better-value
It's clear that in the UK the average Costco customer probably visualises a downside to leaving the EU but I suspect that even a Costco customer would see benefits as the tariffs imposed by the EU will result in lower food prices.
'Ahh' I hear you say 'But he won't be able to afford even the cheaper prices because he'll have lost his job in the crash and won't be able to afford it'.
Well, if that ever came to pass, he'll join the dole queue with those voters who voted Leave then who saw no benefit to being to being in the EU in the first place and still want to leave. It'll be these ignored and forgotten voters who'll dictate, in the end, whether the UK leaves or not, when they get given the chance.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

I have no idea about what has, or has not, been discussed behind closed doors and I would have thought that that was obvious.

Originally Posted by BristolUK

But presumably you are aware that Boris claimed substantial progress in talks when multiple sources involved in the same discussions have said nothing of the sort. After all, you did say yourself that nothing has changed

Originally Posted by BristolUK

But presumably you are aware that Boris claimed substantial progress in talks when multiple sources involved in the same discussions have said nothing of the sort. After all, you did say yourself that nothing has changed

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

I believe you are seeking an argument purely for an argument's sake. .

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

I can't disagree with any of the comments made here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vha59srSks

Originally Posted by jimf