PM Boris
#286
Re: PM Boris
Just compare the way the UK's politicians have handled this, with the way the EU's politician's have. I am confident that, behind the scenes, main EU leaders would be willing to deal with the Irish border issue but, publicly, they are standing firm with Ireland. The EU has not incentive to move from its current position if it believes that the UK will never actually allow Brexit to occur but will simply delay the matter indefinitely.
#287
Re: PM Boris
Trade is conducted all over the world and it works well. Clearly, trade between the UK and the EU post Brexit will be different than it is now but, eventually, a trade agreement will be achieved and life will return to normal, insofar as trade is concerned. However, the "will they, won't they" current situation will be massively affecting the decisions that businesses involved with UK/EU trade will have to make, which is not good for any of them. Once the position is know, they can deal with it but the ending delay upon delay helps no one.
#288
Re: PM Boris
I have no idea about what has, or has not, been discussed behind closed doors and I would have thought that that was obvious.
#289
Re: PM Boris
I intended "ordinary people" to mean people who won't make fortunes shorting the pound so just about everyone except, perhaps, Jacob Rees Mogg and Joe Lewis. I suppose de-nationalized healthcare would be financially beneficial to some doctors who are not, themselves, in need of healthcare. There would be a few winners. As far as I can see though most leavers consciously choose to vote against their interests. I wonder what they think is it in for them. If it's just "kicking out the French" (or whichever nationality is out of fashion today) then there's no need to leave to do that. If it's a desire for un-iced kippers, again that could be achieved within the EU.
#290
Re: PM Boris
I believe that May's biggest mistake was calling an election. Had she not done that, I believe the WA would already be a done deal and everyone would now be arguing about what should go into the final deal.
#291
Re: PM Boris
Hmmm... Well you've chosen a slice of the UK electorate that's not doing too badly to start with.
I refer you to https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...s-better-value
It's clear that in the UK the average Costco customer probably visualises a downside to leaving the EU but I suspect that even a Costco customer would see benefits as the tariffs imposed by the EU will result in lower food prices.
'Ahh' I hear you say 'But he won't be able to afford even the cheaper prices because he'll have lost his job in the crash and won't be able to afford it'.
Well, if that ever came to pass, he'll join the dole queue with those voters who voted Leave then who saw no benefit to being to being in the EU in the first place and still want to leave. It'll be these ignored and forgotten voters who'll dictate, in the end, whether the UK leaves or not, when they get given the chance.
I refer you to https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...s-better-value
It's clear that in the UK the average Costco customer probably visualises a downside to leaving the EU but I suspect that even a Costco customer would see benefits as the tariffs imposed by the EU will result in lower food prices.
'Ahh' I hear you say 'But he won't be able to afford even the cheaper prices because he'll have lost his job in the crash and won't be able to afford it'.
Well, if that ever came to pass, he'll join the dole queue with those voters who voted Leave then who saw no benefit to being to being in the EU in the first place and still want to leave. It'll be these ignored and forgotten voters who'll dictate, in the end, whether the UK leaves or not, when they get given the chance.
#292
Re: PM Boris
But presumably you are aware that Boris claimed substantial progress in talks when multiple sources involved in the same discussions have said nothing of the sort. After all, you did say yourself that nothing has changed
#293
Re: PM Boris
I think BoJo's plan is to run down the click with EU, then present a 'take it or leave it' proposal. He's not bothered either way, if they were to take, he claims a success, if they don't, he claims he tried and was thwarted, and thereby justifies Brexit. I genuinely believe he has no preference either way, which can be a stance (if you subscribe to the view that the outcome is neutral and/or the referendum must be implemented). It's just fortune that there are deeper thinkers than he in the HOC.
#294
Re: PM Boris
I believe you are seeking an argument purely for an argument's sake. From what has been released to the public, nothing has changed. I have no idea what has been happening behind closed doors.
#297
Re: PM Boris
Eh? How do you work that one out? Import tariffs (paid by the UK importer, by the way, not by the foreign exporter) will certainly be passed through to the UK retail price of the goods for sale. That will result, clearly, in higher food prices for any imported foods. The UK has not been self-sufficient in food production for years: here's an article from the NFU in 2014 (so five years old now, but removed from any possible Brexit bias in either direction) bemoaning the continuing decline year-over-year since 1991 in Britain's self-sufficiency, which now sits somewhere around 60%. https://www.nfuonline.com/self-suffi...h-plan-needed/
#298
Re: PM Boris
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ropean-council
#299
Re: PM Boris
Which UK media do you read (if any)?
#300
Re: PM Boris
UK seems to be in the loosing minority far more than anyone else
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ropean-council