British Expats - Passport seized

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FlyingDutchman6666

Oct 22nd 2014 12:13 pm

Passport seized

What's with these passports seizures I keep reading about? According to this CIC article:

Quote:

He was identified as a high-risk traveller and had his passport taken away, but there wasn't enough evidence for police to charge him and detain him.

So merely the suspicion of being "high risk" is enough to have your passport taken away? No conviction in a court of law? Guilty until proven innocent ?

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says: Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. It doesn't sound like it counts for much.

plasticcanuck

Oct 22nd 2014 12:21 pm

Re: Passport seized

We live in times much different than those when Charter was written. Haven't other western nations instituted similar protection procedures?

magnumpi

Oct 22nd 2014 12:24 pm

Re: Passport seized

The question is not why take the passport, that looks obvious to me, the question is why this guy, and possibly many more nutters were let back into the free world without surveillance being instigated on them

What we need here is a little Canadian Guamtamano Island retreat for these happy fighting fit folks

JamesM

Oct 22nd 2014 12:25 pm

Re: Passport seized

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman6666 (Post 11447041)

What's with these passports seizures I keep reading about? According to this CIC article:

So merely the suspicion of being "high risk" is enough to have your passport taken away? No conviction in a court of law? Guilty until proven innocent ?

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says: Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. It doesn't sound like it counts for much.

He is "High" risk. I'm fairly certain they didn't give him this status lightly. They needed to try and keep him under the radar as they knew he was a threat.

Looks like their decision was correct.

FlyingDutchman6666

Oct 22nd 2014 12:49 pm

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What decision was correct? Confining everyone vaguely suspect to Canada? Sounds like they hit the jackpot twice.

magnumpi

Oct 22nd 2014 1:05 pm

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman6666 (Post 11447088)

What decision was correct? Confining everyone vaguely suspect to Canada? Sounds like they hit the jackpot twice.

They don't just confine anyone on a whim, I think u need to read the article that u linked a bit more carefully.

90 more like him still out there breathing the same air as us, that's :ohmy:

JamesM

Oct 22nd 2014 1:07 pm

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman6666 (Post 11447088)

What decision was correct? Confining everyone vaguely suspect to Canada? Sounds like they hit the jackpot twice.

He wasn't vaguely suspect.

He was "High Risk".

I'm sure you don't earn that status by j-walking or dropping litter on the street.

FlyingDutchman6666

Oct 22nd 2014 1:14 pm

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Well they clearly didn't have enough evidence to even charge him. And how do you know they don't seize passports on a whim? How many innocent people had their passports seized just to block these two nutcases?

Are there court documents we can read to see exactly what the process is? Is there even a court involved? Or Just the spooks? We all know how well that turned out in the run-up to the Iraq war.

dbd33

Oct 22nd 2014 1:23 pm

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Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 11447052)

We live in times much different than those when Charter was written.

Eh, it's just a few decades old, from the Trudeau era. Are you confusing it with the Constitution?

dbd33

Oct 22nd 2014 1:25 pm

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman6666 (Post 11447105)

I think this makes a convincing argument for having, and obtaining for one's children, the passport of one's home country as well as that of Canada.

magnumpi

Oct 22nd 2014 1:28 pm

Re: Passport seized

@Flying Dutch

How do u know they did?

FlyingDutchman6666

Oct 22nd 2014 1:33 pm

Re: Passport seized

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Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 11447117)

How do u know they did?

Because they didn't have enough evidence to charge these people, let alone convict them. That sounds like "on a whim" to me, unless proven otherwise.

If you take away enough passports, eventually one or two nutcases with seized passports are going to go ape. Which of course proves the government was totally correct... right??

MarkG

Oct 22nd 2014 1:35 pm

Re: Passport seized

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman6666 (Post 11447041)

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says: Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. It doesn't sound like it counts for much.

To be fair, you don't really need a passport to do any of those things. You just need it to enter another country.

I haven't checked the small print in my Canadian passport, but I'm pretty sure the UK one says it's government property and must be surrendered on request. I presume the Canadian one is similar.

magnumpi

Oct 22nd 2014 1:36 pm

Re: Passport seized

Can they even charge some one for attempting to go to an Islamic country?

dbd33

Oct 22nd 2014 1:36 pm

Re: Passport seized

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman6666 (Post 11447121)

Because they didn't have enough evidence to charge these people, let alone convict them. That sounds like "on a whim" to me, unless proven otherwise.

Nevermind that, I have yet another opportunity to do that same sort of work in that same place, possibly for more money now. Lemme know if you've run out of work...

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