Paris Attacks
Nov 14th 2015, 5:10 am
#77
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Re: Paris Attacks
First of all I'd like to express my sympathy for those killed and injured in the Paris attacks.
This forum doesn't allow an in-depth discussion on the origins of the attacks because there apparently aren't enough posters who are familiar with the issues involved.
However we can view and comment on the events.
Knee-jerk reactions are common and understandable and there have been posts that I consider inappropriate.
What I will say is that when you quite rightly express disgust at the indiscriminate slaughter in Paris, spare a thought for the equally innocent victims resulting from the several invasions and the ongoing involvement of coalition forces in the middle east as a whole.
This forum doesn't allow an in-depth discussion on the origins of the attacks because there apparently aren't enough posters who are familiar with the issues involved.
However we can view and comment on the events.
Knee-jerk reactions are common and understandable and there have been posts that I consider inappropriate.
What I will say is that when you quite rightly express disgust at the indiscriminate slaughter in Paris, spare a thought for the equally innocent victims resulting from the several invasions and the ongoing involvement of coalition forces in the middle east as a whole.
Last edited by dave_j; Nov 14th 2015 at 5:13 am.
Nov 14th 2015, 5:12 am
#78
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Re: Paris Attacks
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I feel the problem in dealing with these people is that we're not prepared to be as totally ruthless as they are, and dispose with our humanity and just ignore the collateral damage and drop a few hundred fuel-air bombs where IS/ISIS/Nutters are known to originate from (Syria / Iraq?). Probably just make the ones you don't get more relentless and ups the ante in their response.
I feel the problem in dealing with these people is that we're not prepared to be as totally ruthless as they are, and dispose with our humanity and just ignore the collateral damage and drop a few hundred fuel-air bombs where IS/ISIS/Nutters are known to originate from (Syria / Iraq?). Probably just make the ones you don't get more relentless and ups the ante in their response.
The source of ISIS is in the Gulf States and Saudi. Syria/Iraq is just the current battle ground.
Nov 14th 2015, 5:40 am
#79
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Re: Paris Attacks
I think the solution is to bring 35000 Syrian refugees to Canada. Which aren't going to be vetted properly, because of the Liberals' election promise of '25000 by Christmas'. It must be so because we all voted for it.
And if this won't keep us safe, at least the Canadian economy will benefit from the refugees' tremendous skills and wealth... After all, we all know Syria is an economic powerhouse and global knowledge centre.
Erm, confused now. I think I'll just have to re-read the article where Trudeau intends to make the economic case at the G20 for taking in Syrian refugees.
And if this won't keep us safe, at least the Canadian economy will benefit from the refugees' tremendous skills and wealth... After all, we all know Syria is an economic powerhouse and global knowledge centre.
Erm, confused now. I think I'll just have to re-read the article where Trudeau intends to make the economic case at the G20 for taking in Syrian refugees.
Nov 14th 2015, 5:40 am
#80
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Re: Paris Attacks
Coincidence that the news this scumbag was taken out and then the attacks in Paris?
I feel the problem in dealing with these people is that we're not prepared to be as totally ruthless as they are, and dispose with our humanity and just ignore the collateral damage and drop a few hundred fuel-air bombs where IS/ISIS/Nutters are known to originate from (Syria / Iraq?). Probably just make the ones you don't get more relentless and ups the ante in their response.
I feel the problem in dealing with these people is that we're not prepared to be as totally ruthless as they are, and dispose with our humanity and just ignore the collateral damage and drop a few hundred fuel-air bombs where IS/ISIS/Nutters are known to originate from (Syria / Iraq?). Probably just make the ones you don't get more relentless and ups the ante in their response.
There was a feature on Jihadi-John on C4 news last night (a couple of hours before the Paris attacks, so it aired) and it was evident how absolutely normal he appeared as a young student. Somehow, he was infected by the extremism strain, and he became a monster.
There's also that guy that has just been arrested in the US, teenager who used Tumbler, and through that the police were able to chart his radicalisation in a few short months from a normal (US) teen to a would be terrorist.
It does show how incredibly toxic the Islamist narrative is that it can radicalise young minds so easily. Military response alone will not solve it.
Nov 14th 2015, 5:45 am
#81
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Re: Paris Attacks
Appears at least one entered through Greece on October 3.
Assailant in Paris attacks had Syrian passport and passed through Greek island of Leros: Greece official | National Post
CBC say's another of the attackers was flagged for extremist links.
Assailant in Paris attacks had Syrian passport and passed through Greek island of Leros: Greece official | National Post
CBC say's another of the attackers was flagged for extremist links.
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Nov 14th 2015, 5:50 am
#82
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Re: Paris Attacks
The last 100 years of the West meddling in, invading, occupying and bombing the Middle East has not exactly been a roaring success. I can't imagine doing more of the same being any different.
The source of ISIS is in the Gulf States and Saudi. Syria/Iraq is just the current battle ground.
The source of ISIS is in the Gulf States and Saudi. Syria/Iraq is just the current battle ground.
But... damned if you do (Iraq/Libya), damned if you don't (Syria).
It's looking more and more that this whole 'islamic terror' thing is turning into a real war. A war that we are very busy losing on almost all fronts, make no mistake. I honestly don't believe that governments/security services/armies can think of a winning strategy right now. Just more of the same. We are so out of touch that we aren't even able to understand the enemy anymore. Remember how Islamic State came out of nowhere, and was widely mocked in the news for a few months, for being bearded cave dwellers? We didn't see it coming, and even when it did come, we laughed.
Understanding the enemy is the first step towards defeating it. And we are failing very badly.
Nov 14th 2015, 6:16 am
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Re: Paris Attacks
If you remember, Hague, the UK government and others were over-hasty to help the nascent opposition to Assad because they desired and still desire regime change. In my view it was this rush to recognise a ragbag bunch of disparate opposition groups that directly resulted in the civil war. Had the international community not offered support and recognition to these groups then Assad might well have quelled the revolt.
Assad may be a dictator, but like Hussein and Gadaffi, they may have been the least bad option.
It is not true that the international community did not intervene in Syria.
Nov 14th 2015, 6:23 am
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Ah yes, the civilized west outsources its medieval repression to friendly dictatorships. Now that many have collapsed, we find it hard to survive without the outsourced torture and repression. How ironic.
Nov 14th 2015, 6:44 am
#86
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Re: Paris Attacks
First of all I'd like to express my sympathy for those killed and injured in the Paris attacks.
This forum doesn't allow an in-depth discussion on the origins of the attacks because there apparently aren't enough posters who are familiar with the issues involved.
However we can view and comment on the events.
Knee-jerk reactions are common and understandable and there have been posts that I consider inappropriate.
What I will say is that when you quite rightly express disgust at the indiscriminate slaughter in Paris, spare a thought for the equally innocent victims resulting from the several invasions and the ongoing involvement of coalition forces in the middle east as a whole.
This forum doesn't allow an in-depth discussion on the origins of the attacks because there apparently aren't enough posters who are familiar with the issues involved.
However we can view and comment on the events.
Knee-jerk reactions are common and understandable and there have been posts that I consider inappropriate.
What I will say is that when you quite rightly express disgust at the indiscriminate slaughter in Paris, spare a thought for the equally innocent victims resulting from the several invasions and the ongoing involvement of coalition forces in the middle east as a whole.
Thank you.
It's a sad day when anyone in a 'civilized' country gets slaughtered, but just another day for anyone in Palestine, Iraq or Sudan. The causes are sad and complex and there are always terrible human beings who live off hatred and slaughtering.
RIP and let's hope this doesn't escalate to a world war, with groups that would want nothing more than to crush the souls of those whom live in relative comfort and hope.
"If they won't share their wealth with us, we'll share our poverty with them" - a pirate quote
Complex problem for all humankind
Nov 14th 2015, 6:45 am
#87
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Re: Paris Attacks
Good point. The cell could have been 2 each, given specific and discrete instructions by the operating cell.
Nov 14th 2015, 7:00 am
#89
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Re: Paris Attacks
Not so.
If you remember, Hague, the UK government and others were over-hasty to help the nascent opposition to Assad because they desired and still desire regime change. In my view it was this rush to recognise a ragbag bunch of disparate opposition groups that directly resulted in the civil war. Had the international community not offered support and recognition to these groups then Assad might well have quelled the revolt.
Assad may be a dictator, but like Hussein and Gadaffi, they may have been the least bad option.
It is not true that the international community did not intervene in Syria.
If you remember, Hague, the UK government and others were over-hasty to help the nascent opposition to Assad because they desired and still desire regime change. In my view it was this rush to recognise a ragbag bunch of disparate opposition groups that directly resulted in the civil war. Had the international community not offered support and recognition to these groups then Assad might well have quelled the revolt.
Assad may be a dictator, but like Hussein and Gadaffi, they may have been the least bad option.
It is not true that the international community did not intervene in Syria.
Nov 14th 2015, 7:33 am
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Re: Paris Attacks...
The last 100 years of the West meddling in, invading, occupying and bombing the Middle East has not exactly been a roaring success. I can't imagine doing more of the same being any different.
The source of ISIS is in the Gulf States and Saudi. Syria/Iraq is just the current battle ground.
The source of ISIS is in the Gulf States and Saudi. Syria/Iraq is just the current battle ground.
