The Old Boys Club
#16
Binned by Muderators
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: White Rock BC
Posts: 11,682
Re: The Old Boys Club
It is called "people like us" syndrome. Unless recruiters are trained otherwise (aka positive discrimination) then they tend to recruit people who they feel socially compatible with. The same ethnicity, the same education, the same class and so on. It happens everywhere but we don't usually notice it when we are one of the people like us.
#18
Re: The Old Boys Club
No.not me, its Paul. He has not been chosen for interview but our 67 year old boarder has. We'll ignore the experience he gained in Crawley and the dodgy areas of Croydon and accept that years in rural Newfoundland are much more useful. Gah!
#19
Re: The Old Boys Club
It is called "people like us" syndrome. Unless recruiters are trained otherwise (aka positive discrimination) then they tend to recruit people who they feel socially compatible with. The same ethnicity, the same education, the same class and so on. It happens everywhere but we don't usually notice it when we are one of the people like us.
I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
#20
Re: The Old Boys Club
TBH I prefer the UK way of recruiting, where anonymous people get a shot at a job based on their resume and experience, not who they know. To me, just because you know someone doesnt mean they are necessarily any better at a job or any more reliable than someone else.
I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
I know that cronyism is alive and well, not just in your neck of the woods, it's a universal thing.
I will also say that I did experience "attitude problems" on occasion and that Brits were very good at coming across as "I know better" and "that's not how we did in the UK". After a few tries at interviewing and hiring Brits, which, being one, I tried to do in the early days. Sort of "old boys club" in reverse. I soon abandoned that though. My first hiree, from Liverpool, wasn't there five minutes before she wanted to start a union ! Needless to say she was gone in no time. Others with the "this is how we do it in the UK" attitude didn't last long either.
I'm glad to say that I don't have to do hiring and firing any more but if I did I would still want the best I could get. I always hired on merit alone.
#21
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Joined: Jul 2007
Location: White Rock BC
Posts: 11,682
Re: The Old Boys Club
TBH I prefer the UK way of recruiting, where anonymous people get a shot at a job based on their resume and experience, not who they know. To me, just because you know someone doesnt mean they are necessarily any better at a job or any more reliable than someone else.
I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
#24
Re: The Old Boys Club
I've started volunteering to show my face. It has already generated some unexpected invitations... Never expected it as that wasn't the reason for doing it but it was an interesting knock on effect!
#25
Re: The Old Boys Club
I think Canadian companies will, in general, hire on connections before merit. The situation is complicated by the casualisation of labour in progress in the industry sectors with which I'm familiar, it's obviously not such a big deal to take on someone's cousin on a contract as it is for a permanent position, and so the prevalance of hiring mates is, I think, increasing.
Still, I work, at a client's site, with a woman of gobsmacking stupidity. Someone who is plainly only in her position because her husband is well connected. This sort of flagrant exploitation of the firm, he's good at his job but not worth two salaries and sets of benefits, makes me feel awkward in that, if I ask, they will hire, and I use that facility from time-to-time. It would horrify me to think that someone they'd hired as a favour to me was not doing a proper job.
Still, I work, at a client's site, with a woman of gobsmacking stupidity. Someone who is plainly only in her position because her husband is well connected. This sort of flagrant exploitation of the firm, he's good at his job but not worth two salaries and sets of benefits, makes me feel awkward in that, if I ask, they will hire, and I use that facility from time-to-time. It would horrify me to think that someone they'd hired as a favour to me was not doing a proper job.
#27
slanderer of the innocent
Joined: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 6,695
Re: The Old Boys Club
Maybe his experience IS more relevant, for a start, he'd be more attuned to teh culture.
#28
Re: The Old Boys Club
Honestly, this is not a dig at my boarder, hes a nice guy who deserves an interview for sure, this is me being cross and fed up.