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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   The Maple Leaf (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/)
-   -   The Old Boys Club (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/old-boys-club-756537/)

JonboyE Apr 29th 2012 6:16 am
Re: The Old Boys Club
 
It is called "people like us" syndrome. Unless recruiters are trained otherwise (aka positive discrimination) then they tend to recruit people who they feel socially compatible with. The same ethnicity, the same education, the same class and so on. It happens everywhere but we don't usually notice it when we are one of the people like us.

AmyDavid Apr 29th 2012 6:49 am
Re: The Old Boys Club
 
Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 10031508)
Easy to play the game when its a smaller pond and depending on what you do for a living. Can be much harder for some other very qualified and capable people that the province has nominated to be here.
Is this you? Are you having problemos in your new job?

Howefamily Apr 29th 2012 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by AmyDavid (Post 10031766)
Is this you? Are you having problemos in your new job?
No.not me, its Paul. He has not been chosen for interview but our 67 year old boarder has. We'll ignore the experience he gained in Crawley and the dodgy areas of Croydon and accept that years in rural Newfoundland are much more useful. Gah!

Howefamily Apr 29th 2012 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 10031735)
It is called "people like us" syndrome. Unless recruiters are trained otherwise (aka positive discrimination) then they tend to recruit people who they feel socially compatible with. The same ethnicity, the same education, the same class and so on. It happens everywhere but we don't usually notice it when we are one of the people like us.
TBH I prefer the UK way of recruiting, where anonymous people get a shot at a job based on their resume and experience, not who they know. To me, just because you know someone doesnt mean they are necessarily any better at a job or any more reliable than someone else.

I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it

Simon Legree Apr 29th 2012 9:53 am
Re: The Old Boys Club
 
Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 10031837)
TBH I prefer the UK way of recruiting, where anonymous people get a shot at a job based on their resume and experience, not who they know. To me, just because you know someone doesnt mean they are necessarily any better at a job or any more reliable than someone else.

I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
During my working life I hired, and fired, numerous people. Never once was it a case of the"old boys club". I just wanted the best that I could get.
I know that cronyism is alive and well, not just in your neck of the woods, it's a universal thing.
I will also say that I did experience "attitude problems" on occasion and that Brits were very good at coming across as "I know better" and "that's not how we did in the UK". After a few tries at interviewing and hiring Brits, which, being one, I tried to do in the early days. Sort of "old boys club" in reverse. I soon abandoned that though. My first hiree, from Liverpool, wasn't there five minutes before she wanted to start a union ! Needless to say she was gone in no time. Others with the "this is how we do it in the UK" attitude didn't last long either.
I'm glad to say that I don't have to do hiring and firing any more but if I did I would still want the best I could get. I always hired on merit alone.

JonboyE Apr 29th 2012 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 10031837)
TBH I prefer the UK way of recruiting, where anonymous people get a shot at a job based on their resume and experience, not who they know. To me, just because you know someone doesnt mean they are necessarily any better at a job or any more reliable than someone else.

I do know that this is the way it is here, I just dont love it
It is alive and well in this part of Canada too. However, it is not noticeably more prevalent than in the UK.

Novocastrian Apr 29th 2012 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 10032015)
My first hiree, from Liverpool, wasn't there five minutes before she wanted to start a union ! Needless to say she was gone in no time.
Excuse me? Needless to say? :confused:

fletcher m Apr 29th 2012 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 10032015)
My first hiree, from Liverpool, wasn't there five minutes before she wanted to start a union ! Needless to say she was gone in no time.
Did she steal much?:rofl:

DandNHill Apr 29th 2012 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 10031508)
Easy to play the game when its a smaller pond and depending on what you do for a living. Can be much harder for some other very qualified and capable people that the province has nominated to be here.
When it's a smaller pond it can be harder as you have to be careful not to offend and have the whole pond against you. If you slip up you can't just move on to another group as they're all inter related and look after each other :(

I've started volunteering to show my face. It has already generated some unexpected invitations... Never expected it as that wasn't the reason for doing it but it was an interesting knock on effect! :)

dbd33 Apr 29th 2012 1:14 pm
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I think Canadian companies will, in general, hire on connections before merit. The situation is complicated by the casualisation of labour in progress in the industry sectors with which I'm familiar, it's obviously not such a big deal to take on someone's cousin on a contract as it is for a permanent position, and so the prevalance of hiring mates is, I think, increasing.

Still, I work, at a client's site, with a woman of gobsmacking stupidity. Someone who is plainly only in her position because her husband is well connected. This sort of flagrant exploitation of the firm, he's good at his job but not worth two salaries and sets of benefits, makes me feel awkward in that, if I ask, they will hire, and I use that facility from time-to-time. It would horrify me to think that someone they'd hired as a favour to me was not doing a proper job.

Novocastrian Apr 29th 2012 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10032217)
It would horrify me to think that someone they'd hired as a favour to me was not doing a proper job.
I'm glad to hear that the latest is punching well. Above weight would be going too far.

ExKiwilass Apr 29th 2012 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 10031830)
No.not me, its Paul. He has not been chosen for interview but our 67 year old boarder has. We'll ignore the experience he gained in Crawley and the dodgy areas of Croydon and accept that years in rural Newfoundland are much more useful. Gah!
But you're in NS..which is more rural, not a large metropolis.

Maybe his experience IS more relevant, for a start, he'd be more attuned to teh culture.

Howefamily Apr 29th 2012 9:35 pm
Re: The Old Boys Club
 
Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 10032307)
But you're in NS..which is more rural, not a large metropolis.

Maybe his experience IS more relevant, for a start, he'd be more attuned to teh culture.
yes thats true, lets hope he has more than 6 months left in the working world then to make it worth it.
Honestly, this is not a dig at my boarder, hes a nice guy who deserves an interview for sure, this is me being cross and fed up.


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