Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12877505)
In the current climate there would be no last day of school egging the teachers cars, or any of the above as they'd be shut down for not social distancing. Same principle.
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Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12877511)
I think you're missing the point that prom and graduation are local affectations. In many places students just stop going to school when they're no longer required to attend.
Do they not have graduation ceremonies for post-secondary education in the UK? |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12877511)
I think you're missing the point that prom and graduation are local affectations. In many places students just stop going to school when they're no longer required to attend.
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Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12877484)
It's already been a few months, with no end in sight...travel restrictions have been extended to 31 August and probably will be again. This summer is a write off for travel, clubs, anything fun that is typically enjoyed by people my age. our national holiday was basically naught.
It's more then "Just a few months." At best it will be an entire year before restrictions are fully lifted in Canada, i.e. pre-pandemic, no social distancing, no masks, no limits, no public health restrictions. If we had a crystal ball that said on Sept 1st this would be over and we can go back to normal I wouldn't leave my house from now until then. But we don't, and with the way things keep getting extended and extended I don't have much faith that it will. Asking someone to give up being a 21 year old, give up their college grad, prom, etc IS actually quite a lot, because my generation will NEVER get those moments back.
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12877514)
Fair enough. Prom is a high school thing and it wasn't a particularly memorable night for me (for more reasons than one :tape:) but college graduation when you've committed to post secondary, worked towards it and in most cases paid for it yourself you want a little bit of recognition. The online "Graduation website" is a sad attempt at that.
Do they not have graduation ceremonies for post-secondary education in the UK? |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12877494)
Err some of us grew up with no college grad or prom and did you hear us complain? Last day of school usually resulted in taking eggs to school and targeting the teachers cars as they left at the end of the day. When you actually finished school then some would have a burning of the uniform. Perhaps some had a Disco and you would sneak in alcohol, drink, dance and if lucky a quick grope.
Limos never heard of and no prom dresses or tuxedos. God North America has a lot to answer for. Be thankful you weren't working down pit at 12 yrs of age. Now go and make an appointment with a therapist to get over these traumatic times and how hard life is. |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12877529)
Dunno never went to post secondary. Recognition is when you get a job in your field and actually hired by an employer. Having multiple degrees means nothing if you cant get a job. Oh I have a degree in basket weaving or some other artsy fartsy Arts programme good now I can apply to be a surgeon or dentist and be paid wads of money etc etc. Yes Education is important and kudos to those out there who have relevant degrees so they could follow their aspirations and get a job in their chosen employment.
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Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Partially discharged
(Post 12877524)
.... it isn't that much of an accomplishment these days to finish high school if you put in some effort.
I believe about 30% of school children in the US still somehow fail to complete high school. Apprently it's then everyone's fault but their own when they can't find any sort of steady employment. But would you employ someone who can't even show a satisfactory track record of "just showing up? :rolleyes: |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12877541)
You have to "put in some effort" to finish high school in Canada? :confused: In the US you only seem to need to show up. :unsure:
I believe about 30% of school children in the US still somehow fail to complete high school. Apprently it's then everyone's fault but their own when they can't find any sort of steady employment. But would you employ someone who can't even show a satisfactory track record of "just showing up? :rolleyes: It's apparently even more difficult now at least in the school district I went to, my nieces and nephews have to quite a lot just to graduate, in addition to volunteering X amount of hours there is also an exit exam, neither of which existed in 1997, but if I had to pass an exit exam, I doubt I would have graduated high school. But then I also have a learning disability and was given no supports for it, so really managing a C average was quite an accomplishment for myself. I didn't pass the essay test for graduation until grade 12, and even then just barely, they gave 4 chances between grade 9 and 12 to pass, that test was required pass in addition to have at least a 1.0 GPA which is a D-, but I was 2.84 with is a high C GPA, but I did the very best I could, and nobody can say I didn't try.... But it did keep me from college, you can't really be successful in college with a learning disability and low GPA when nearly everything is competitive based for entry these days. If I just showed up, I would have failed and not graduated which was my sisters method, but she did buckle down the last years and graduated but had to make up grade 9 and 10 in summer school and attending 0 and 7th period on top of the normal 2 to 6 period classes, so she was in school 7am to 4pm vs 8am to 2:40pm. |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12877484)
Asking someone to give up being a 21 year old, give up their college grad, prom, etc IS actually quite a lot, because my generation will NEVER get those moments back. |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
I spent my grad weekend playing war games in valiant defense of my country. I was short one credit to graduate and didn't get it until mid-summer when I came in and asked for it (a story in itself). When I got back from the scheme and got the stories from everyone it sounded like drinking was the main thing at grad, and I'm sure I had a lot more fun.
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Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12877631)
I spent my grad weekend playing war games in valiant defense of my country. I was short one credit to graduate and didn't get it until mid-summer when I came in and asked for it (a story in itself). When I got back from the scheme and got the stories from everyone it sounded like drinking was the main thing at grad, and I'm sure I had a lot more fun.
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Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12877514)
Do they not have graduation ceremonies for post-secondary education in the UK?
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Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12877529)
Dunno never went to post secondary. Recognition is when you get a job in your field and actually hired by an employer. Having multiple degrees means nothing if you cant get a job. Oh I have a degree in basket weaving or some other artsy fartsy Arts programme good now I can apply to be a surgeon or dentist and be paid wads of money etc etc. Yes Education is important and kudos to those out there who have relevant degrees so they could follow their aspirations and get a job in their chosen employment.
My wife is friends with someone who has a PhD in a rather useless subject and complains how she can't find a job despite her education level, equating having a PhD with having a skill. She also never actually worked a job in her life yet, she was in school from 20-35 courtesy of her wealthy parents, and is back in school because she can't find a job, if I had rich parents who would have funded my lifestyle, I would never have left school either i suppose. :rofl: |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12877668)
And how you end up with baristas with bachelors and masters and sometimes higher degrees who find their rather useless in the world degree isn't a skill. Somewhere along the line degree and skill became confused as being the same, which its not, someone with a bachelors degree isn't necessarily more skilled than someone without, and possibly not better educated either, one can be educated and have knowledge without ever stepping foot on a university campus.
My wife is friends with someone who has a PhD in a rather useless subject and complains how she can't find a job despite her education level, equating having a PhD with having a skill. She also never actually worked a job in her life yet, she was in school from 20-35 courtesy of her wealthy parents, and is back in school because she can't find a job, if I had rich parents who would have funded my lifestyle, I would never have left school either i suppose. ... In the end I mostly ended up hiring people who were "sharp" - bright, and inquisitive, and willing to learn, because I very soon discovered that the people I thought I was looking for didn't really exist. :( I did find one stunningly good applicant who was working to complete his PhD, but his skills were a much better fit for another team and I was able to get another manager to interview him, which led to a job offer. |
Off Topic Posts From Coronavirus Thread: Proms/PHDs etc
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12877668)
And how you end up with baristas with bachelors and masters and sometimes higher degrees who find their rather useless in the world degree isn't a skill. Somewhere along the line degree and skill became confused as being the same, which its not, someone with a bachelors degree isn't necessarily more skilled than someone without, and possibly not better educated either, one can be educated and have knowledge without ever stepping foot on a university campus.
My wife is friends with someone who has a PhD in a rather useless subject and complains how she can't find a job despite her education level, equating having a PhD with having a skill. She also never actually worked a job in her life yet, she was in school from 20-35 courtesy of her wealthy parents, and is back in school because she can't find a job, if I had rich parents who would have funded my lifestyle, I would never have left school either i suppose. :rofl: I always feel a bit sorry for the proverbial barrista with a PhD. Although, there is the irony that if they are astute enough to get a PhD, they ought to be aware of whether it has any relevance to employability. The university system is partially to blame too, it has its own vested interests in churning out PhDs. |
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