Alan2005

I'm generally supportive. People have been ripped off and they are right to be angry - where this goes and whether or not the movement gets co-opted we shall see.

el_richo

I'm not bloody taking a paycut for anybody

Oink

That's the problem the left has always faced. There are so many problems with capitalism and the corporate democratic polity that it easy for the media to portray this into an uncoordinated message, while the right simply reacts negatively to progressivism and unfortunately its easy to appear coherent and pointed.

Novocastrian

I thought you'd be along soon.

I don't disagree with you, but I'm not at all sure that (again in the wider canvas) this movement is actually of the left. I've heard analogies to the rise of the Tea Party down there, but that doesn't seem valid either.

We'll have to see (as both I and Alan have agreed), and I don't have a clue how this might turn out. I noted on an earlier thread you mentioned May 68 etc., but that doesn't seem to me to fit either. Whatever these people are, they're not for the most part Marxists (of any flavour). So far they just seem angry and rather desperate for a society which gives a shit about ordinary people.

Oink

There is a frustrating duality between individual agency and systemic control. One the one hand individuals are free to choose certain variables within their lives and yet they are subject to the power of systems. When those systems have problems, ie economic depressions, people become frustrated and angry as they perceive the balance of that duality shifting to the systemic control side.

Alan2005

Yeah, but you know how it is. There's one set of rules for systemic control and another set for us, I mean our individual agencies.

Oink

I didn't see too many global anti-capital demonstrations when people seemed to be winning the speculation in tech-industry in the late 1990s.

Alan2005

Nope. Just like people weren't complaining when the value of their houses was going up crazy amounts every year up till 2008 because of stupidly cheap credit. I still reckon that people not complaining doesn't excuse fraud and malfeasance.

Oink

No of course not. I'm quite in favour of a bit of a sit-in, its quite a laugh, especially when you can pop into the pub for swift pint when it starts to rain.

expatdoris

They are all upset because they were advised to do media and sociology degrees and can't get a job. Perhaps if they had done math or chemistry or even engineering, they would be too busy driving to work in their Mercs.

Alan2005

You know, I've never been on a sit-in. I've done a few protest marches, but never actually occupied anything. I'm not going to start at robson square though - those people look like hippy freaks on TV.

Oink

I strolled down on Saturday to have a peak but only made it as far as the Sutton Place's bar.

Novocastrian

I have a D. Phil. in chemistry and 40 years of internationally recognized research.

I drive a Hyundai Elantra.

Try again.

Oink

Whoever is selling those Vendetta masks is making a killing.

Alan2005

Is that the guy fawkes one that anons use?