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That's the best you can come up with....because it is? :rolleyes:

Name calling is so low, and I won't bother waiting for your reply why restaurant is any different from a grocery store

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It's a myth that they all depend on tips......so we are saying all restaurants don't pay their staff, and expect the public to pay the staff for them? :rolleyes:

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He seems to do that a lot :rolleyes:

Just saying "because it is" doesn't justify tipping. Grocery stores have packers that pack your back for you, isn't that "waiting on you"?

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I'll be more than happy to buy you the 1-way air canada ticket

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Yes, that's the nature of the business.

I'm somewhat baffled by this complaint about bodily fluids in the food. That suggests that someone didn't like a place sufficiently to defy convention and be deliberately offensive to the staff. They then went back often enough to be known as someone who cheats. Why do that?

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No. No one has said that.

Servers, bar staff etc generally get paid a minimum wage which is then supplimented by tips. Please note that, in Ontario, the people behind the bar get a lower mimimum wage than everyone else, lower than the student rate of minimum wage.

http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...de/minwage.php

Whether or not people believe this to be a fair and just way of having things is irrelevant. Tipping for service is the norm in North America.

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The phrase 'suck it up and don't be a miser' comes to mind.

The point of the thread was not really to rehash a recent debate on tipping but to highlight the rather offensive and irrelevant remark the customer put on the bill.

I have no problem with tipping in a restaurant - no problem here or back in the UK for normal or better service.

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You have obviously never worked in the hospitality industry.

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They probably get paid more than minimum wage, plus bonuses, health care etc.

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One thing to bear in mind is that wait staff here generally have to pay 'tip out' this can be as much as 5% of their takings, (and sometimes it's taxed too) that tip out goes generally to the kitchen staff - who generally get paid more per hour anyway.

I remember paying 3p per plate to the chefs, who were the highest paid, bar staff second highest, wait staff the lowest. The head chef would share our their share of tips at the end of the week to the rest of the kitchen staff - the head chef obviously getting the most 'cause it was always worked out on hours worked:thumbdown:

I generally round up and add a bit if necessary, I don't go in for percentages, I think a pound (pound fifty) a person is fair as is a couple of dollars pp here. Anything much less then you obviously need the money more than the wait staff so you should keep it.

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Your spat with lmartin is none of my business!

However surely you must find time spent in a bar/restaurant in Canada far more relaxing to time spent in a supermarket?

One of the great benefits of the bar/restaurant is the ability to sit back whilst cheerful people bring stuff to you after a hard day's work whilst you can chat with friends or watch sports.

The supermarket involves ques, hunting for items, carting a trolley around etc.....

I see it very much as tipping for the quality of relaxation provided.

By the way does any one know if you should tip the barber in Canada?

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I have a friend who is a refuse collector. He makes $65k per year and gets more vacation and benefits than me.

It's a poor example.

There are also Assembly Line workers in the GTA making $25 per hour.

The fact of the matter as Ireland2Canada points out is that servers by legislation get less than the regular minimum wage of average workers.

You then have to factor in the hours of the day they work when the restaurant/bar is empty. It is very much a career in Canada and yes there are servers in certain bars commanding very good money but in your regular suburban dive with out tips during busy periods they are screwed.

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I have and have not. Not depending upon the quality of cut, just whether I had the spare change.

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I do. It may be a perception but I feel he now takes a little more care with the cut-throat and spends a bit more time trimming the eyebrows.

This morning I gave a decent tip to the tow truck driver. I didn't expect anything in return, just that I appreciated the care he took with my car. Turns out when he got to the garage it wasn't quite open so he called me, arranged what to do with the keys and made sure everything was ok.

I also do tip the people who pack the bags at grocery stores, where it is usual to do so. An example would be Mexico.

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And I see that, once again, you have made an entirely pointless contribution to a thread.

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I actually like grocery shopping...

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And this ^ is what? ;)

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Of course you do

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I tip mine. At least I think I do as I've no idea how much he actually charges. I've just been handing over $20 for the last three years - I'm assuming he'll tell me when it's not enough.

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Damn straight.....

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I do tip, before anyone jumps all over me, usually 20% but ...

If one accepts that it is the norm and that it would be done, I cannot fathom the argument against paying the staff (servers, meet and greet, chefs, etc.) a decent wage and adjusting the prices accordingly. In theory, wouldn't that result in the same amount being paid for the experience?

Then tipping could be left to acknowledging great service. I suspect I am missing something.

Apologies to Tangram. In response to what you have said, I have done something similar although, IIRC, it was "Don't leave us sitting at the table for 40 mins without taking our order." On that day, no tip was left. I am confident some will say I was wrong but the venue was empty when we arrived and the server was chatting to another server the whole time;)

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Apologies, but I thought you believed that all my contributions were pointless:p

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I wouldn't have left a tip in that instance either I'm afraid.

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I did leave a tip, just not the type she was expecting;)

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When did the whole tip thing become number driven? You should be able to give whatever amount you want, if you choose to without them saying it has to be x amount on paper or machine in the first place :rolleyes:

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At the time of the invention of the restaurant.

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Do people argue against that? I have no idea, I have never worked in a tip driven environment.

It would be interesting to hear the point of view of bartenders & servers. Are they happy to receive a reduced minimum wage with tips on top? Or would they support a change to receive just a minimum wage, but one which is equal to everyone else.

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Well, you're a feisty lot aren't you? I'm still not sure I understand the thinking behind tipping, but I'm more informed about it...
[QUOTE]Thanks for the helpful link - the system is very different here from in the UK, but it seems that a person is rewarded for their skills, therefore a student (acquiring skills) is paid slightly more than a bartender (unskilled). I have worked in hotels, restaurants and pubs. Tipping was not unheard of, but generally practised by wealthy people or Americans or a combination of the two. Working in a bar, a customer buying you a drink was more common than leaving a tip.

I don't dispute that tipping is the norm in North America, but I disagree that a belief in fairness and justice is irrelevant.
If it is a widely held belief that people in the service industry are underpaid, then steps should be taken to rectify the situation. Maybe someone should bring it up around election time.
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and views, please put me straight if I'm wrong but it seems tipping in Canada is about supplementing the wages of the lowest earners, more than an appreciation of exceptional service.;)

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[QUOTE=AishaA;9675143]Well, you're a feisty lot aren't you? I'm still not sure I understand the thinking behind tipping, but I'm more informed about it...
A little from column A and a little from column B.

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Tipping = performance related pay.

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Had a meal at a restaurant in Banff recently. The menu had a very prominent statement "It is customary in Canada to provide a 15% tip for service". Somewhat heavy handed but I suspect the majority of the overseas vistors do not come from countries where tipping is the custom. I did leave a 15% tip and tend to these days although it does go completely against the grain.

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Tip accordingly to the extent people can make your life uncomfortable.

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Where did you pull that one out of? Don't answer that, I think I know where ;)

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If you eat something not issued to you by the government, you'll find that payment is required, payment in currency. That's measured using numbers. It was ever so, numbers aren't new.

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Are you still talkin'? :eek:

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Do you have tip Alkala after you've finished your maneuvers?

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I'm explaining dining to you.

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In English please?

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My mistake, was it Brown Owl? ;)

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Racist comment?