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Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by cov-canuck
(Post 6211235)
My problem is the specific immigrants that I work with believe that Canada (and the company) should provide them everything on a silver platter without putting any effort in themselves, such as attempting to learn the language, and I wind up suffering because of it.
Went through the same thing in England - worked damn hard to get my citizenship, and on the way out of the council building I was the only one who actually walked straight out of the building (I had to go back to work). Everyone else then walked into the benefits office to sign up. Maybe it's more down to work ethic of specific people/cultures. |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by Dave+Jules
(Post 6209086)
Hardly a team player there Bazzzz.:frown:
As a project manager my advice would be to hit them squarely in the old wallet, and say: "time off in lieu doesn't cut it, I will like double time for weekends please and overtime for past normal working hours. Plus 1 day time off in lieu for every week worked in this crazy pressure cooker project, thank you". If you are so essential to the project you are in a strong bargaining position, so go for their wallet. It is amazing how financial penalty focuses management thoughts of other ways to achieve the goal. Especially if they think they are paying twice for the same work. |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 6212378)
Surely you meant to quote the original post there?
Sometimes I type faster than I am thinking, or is it the other way around? Who cares :lol: Anyway, personally for me this media is about speed of response, and if I happen to screw it up, no big deal. It is like fretting over a mispelt text message. ;):p |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by Dave+Jules
(Post 6213244)
Well I thought I would save some e-paper. I was yawning at Rich_007 nit picking on my incorrect use of the word "will" instead of "would".
Sometimes I type faster than I am thinking, or is it the other way around? Who cares :lol: Anyway, personally for me this media is about speed of response, and if I happen to screw it up, no big deal. It is like fretting over a mispelt text message. ;):p You're a very serious chap, deep down, aren't you. :confused: R. |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 6213315)
You're a very serious chap, deep down, aren't you.
:confused: R. :thumbup: Do you know how hard it was not to put the apostrophe in the dont? |
Re: No more immigrants!!
I say teh problem isn't the Chinese or the Pakistanis - it's the bloody limejuicers. Send 'em back to Blighty - a pox upon this mighty wilderness they is! Bet they don't even know Blighty is an Hindustani word . . .
"L'Angleterre, ah, la perfide Angleterre." - Jacques-Benigne Bossuet |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by dthomas
(Post 6213954)
I say teh problem isn't the Chinese or the Pakistanis - it's the bloody limejuicers. Send 'em back to Blighty - a pox upon this mighty wilderness they is! Bet they don't even know Blighty is an Hindustani word . . .
"L'Angleterre, ah, la perfide Angleterre." - Jacques-Benigne Bossuet That is why the English Language is dominant. It gobbles up new words and is flexible enough to keep the sound, and even the meaning. In the next 15 years when China have finished their adoption of English as a second language (and similar to India one that unifies their communications) you can better your bottom Euro / franc it will be the world language :p |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by cov-canuck
(Post 6211235)
Actually, I did :)
Having been an immigrant myself (and treated horribly because of it), and now with my husband as the immigrant, we have both found that you have to work twice as hard to prove yourself "worthy" in your host country. My problem is the specific immigrants that I work with believe that Canada (and the company) should provide them everything on a silver platter without putting any effort in themselves, such as attempting to learn the language, and I wind up suffering because of it. Went through the same thing in England - worked damn hard to get my citizenship, and on the way out of the council building I was the only one who actually walked straight out of the building (I had to go back to work). Everyone else then walked into the benefits office to sign up. Maybe it's more down to work ethic of specific people/cultures. |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by Dave+Jules
(Post 6214022)
you can better your bottom Euro / franc it will be the world language :p
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Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by cov-canuck
(Post 6208896)
Sorry...need to vent...about immigrants!
....everyone else's English is hit and miss, and there are daily struggles to understand and make yourself understood (yes, I realise the guy worked for IBM in Beijing for 8 years, but if he can't explain himself or understand everyone else, what good is he?). ... when the rest of my team are sitting around doing nothing. The response was because there is a large amount of documentation required, they only trust it to someone whose English is at a fluent level. ... because my boss decided to hire people who can't communicate efficiently in English, but we're all paid the same? ... It's things like this that make me wish that non-English or French speakers were forced to pass a language test before immigration. Sorry if I offend anyone, but I need to vent! :curse: The problem is that it is not practical to enforce a strict fluency test. I think the premise is that newcomers will/should have a basic grasp of English and that, in time, they will have sufficient mastery of the lingo. I am not familiar as to how rigid or lax the goverment is when it comes to immigration and language skills (or lack therof). Yes indeed it does seem unfair but these people have come here for a better life as I am sure is your case. Your employer, it seems to me, has to recruit from what is available on the local job market. So go ask for money as you sure deserve it. But don't fault your employer for hiring these people. Hopefully, in time, your bosses will show their appreciation at your good will during trying times. PS I spent six months in London in 1999 (whitechapel area) and found the fluency remarkable. In fact some of the English spoken was far better and more understandable than that of the 'locals'. |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by daft batty
(Post 6214220)
Maybe they walked into the benefits office to go back to work?? Or did you follow each one to check up on your assumption??
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Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by Tanah
(Post 6211862)
I think it is because she doesnt have the 'excuse' that she doesnt speak English - which is what the other workers are using as a reason not to be able to do the project
Rant over :-) Anita |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by seanyg
(Post 6216787)
So she's effectively being punished for linguistic skills. Hardly seems fair. Immigrants should have no excuse for not speaking the language - it doesn't boil down to where they come from, it boils down to education - if they care enough to live in a country they should educate themselves sufficiently in the appropriate language. Just because you're English / Canadian doesn't mean you speak perfect English (half the people I know in the UK couldn't even tell you what a verb or a conjunction is!), as it depends on how well you have been educated. Henceforth, immigrants have the opportunity to learn a language and if they can't speak it then it shows a lack of commitment and willingness to adapt to their new country.
Rant over :-) Anita |
Re: No more immigrants!!
this is a very interesting thread indeed! I would like to add some thoughts from a non native english speaker's point of view, if I may.
I totally agree with the statements that immigrants who are from non-english/french speaking countries should make a big effort to learn the language of the country they move to. However.. not everyone has the same capacity for learning a foreign language. My husband for example, who is Canadian, has tried to learn to speak my native language (german) and he just didn't succeed, because he is just not gifted for languages and there is nothing wrong with it... you cant be good at everything... I know this is no excuse for your colleagues to not to be able to do their work... maybe they should be assigned jobs where the language capacity is not as vital as in this particular case... talk to your boss and have him shuffle them around.... |
Re: No more immigrants!!
Originally Posted by woodworm
(Post 6217432)
this is a very interesting thread indeed! I would like to add some thoughts from a non native english speaker's point of view, if I may.
I totally agree with the statements that immigrants who are from non-english/french speaking countries should make a big effort to learn the language of the country they move to. However.. not everyone has the same capacity for learning a foreign language. My husband for example, who is Canadian, has tried to learn to speak my native language (german) and he just didn't succeed, because he is just not gifted for languages and there is nothing wrong with it... you cant be good at everything... I know this is no excuse for your colleagues to not to be able to do their work... maybe they should be assigned jobs where the language capacity is not as vital as in this particular case... talk to your boss and have him shuffle them around.... |
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