Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 9333588)

Now try not to be too impartial will you?

( did you bother checking this one out cos I ain't got time as I'm wrestling with gluten free pizza dough)

Originally Posted by GavinR (Post 9333564)

And here's another unchecked email from the same source:

For all those who think the Sun shines out of Jack's bottom end....

The basic facts are as follows.

Layton and his wife Olivia Chow both sat on Toronto City Council for years before making the move to federal politics. While on City Council, they were making $100,000 a year. They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing. What they did was register the house in the name of Chow's mother who was an unemployed immigrant. In this way, they lived for years in a taxpayer funded house while being paid $100,000 yearly from taxpayers. They only moved when a reporter exposed the story.

The real irony is that Chow styled herself as an advocate for the homeless on City Council.



It astounds me that the media never mention this. It was theft, pure and simple.



Today, Layton and Chow earn $350,000 together as MPs. They each get a housing allowance for living in Ottawa although they live together. According to House of Commons records for 2010, they spent one million dollars last year on travel and perks. Because they're MP's there is no detail. When asked, Layton said that most of it was for travel back to Toronto to visit their constituents. That comes out to $20,000 a week for travel. Toronto is 300 miles from Ottawa . Again, it's theft, pure and simple.



But speaking of simple, NDP loyalists see Jack and Olivia as the working man's friends. The simplistic media play up this image. Simplistic Canadians give Jack a free ride on trust.



Now the other night during the big debate Jack had the nerve to say we don't need more jails because all the crooks are already in the Senate. I think we better make Jack a Senator!

Originally Posted by GavinR (Post 9333592)

Lol. If someone sends me left leaning emails I'll post them too! Enjoy the pizza.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9333597)

Understand that I hate Jack Layton personally, if I saw him in the street I would spit on him in some small measure of retalitation for the harm he did during his years in power. I think he has sticky fingers and would no more trust him with something important than I would Steven Harper.

Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.

This is wrong:

"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."

Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.

Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.

Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 9333603)

well I don't have your email and I haven't read all of this article, it was posted as a link on FB.

http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/

Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 9333603)

well I don't have your email and I haven't read all of this article, it was posted as a link on FB.

http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9333708)

Why is it, I wonder, that those with a liberal/socialist bent always assume that those that don't agree with them are not intelligent?:

“Harper is on a course towards a very authoritarian populist government appealing over the heads of Parliament to the people with an enormous public-relations machine. The appeal is to the less educated and less sophisticated parts of society.”

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9333597)

Understand that I hate Jack Layton personally, if I saw him in the street I would spit on him in some small measure of retalitation for the harm he did during his years in power. I think he has sticky fingers and would no more trust him with something important than I would Steven Harper.

Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.

This is wrong:

"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."

Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.

Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9333717)

Its a bit of a leap to say all those with a liberal/ socialist bent say that. Its just one persons blog aint it?


I dont think Ive ever questioned the intelligence of those that dont agree. The morality and concience perhaps, but not the intelligence:lol:

There certainly doesn't seem to be any monopoly on insulting the intelligence of the voter on either side of the political divide in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9333740)

You are correct. I guess it is implicit that those that vote for a leader that wants to spend, spend, spend without explicitly stating how he will pay for such spending lack intelligence.

Originally Posted by GavinR (Post 9332870)

I don't know if this is true or not?


Everyone should know about these figures before they go to cast their vote.
For those who pride themselves on their ability to separate needs from wants,
and have not been insolvent, Harper has proven to be a competent leader as
shown by the following expenses claimed by various MP's.

For the most recent 12 month on-line report on MP expenses (excluding salaries) here is a sample:

NDP

Jack Layton $628,913

Olivia Chow $530,304 ( Jack's wife!)

Megan Leslie $502,279

Pat Martin $508,773

LIBERAL

Michael Ignatieff $570,984

CONSERVATIVE

Steven Harper $281,255

Peter MacKay $392,660.

The highest expense claim award goes to Jack Layton , leader of the NDP, followed by Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberals. Just think how much more these two could suck out of taxpayers if they ever got into power! Jack & Olivia (one family) managed to take over one million dollars in expenses in a 12 month period out of the public purse! Jack should ask Sheila Fraser the Auditor General to legitimize these exhorbitant "expenses" submitted by NDP members. Don't forget, these expenses are in addition to a MINIMUM of $147,700 per MP in salary dollars.!

Originally Posted by dave2003 (Post 9336584)

As for Jack and Olivia, not for nothing are they called the Duke and Duchess of downtown Toronto.

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9336696)

I've never heard of them being called that.



Ignatieff has worked as a journalist, foreign correspondent, broadcaster, and as a professor at a small US university.

Layton has a PhD from York (Political Science) and worked also as a professor at Ryerson before being elected to Toronto City Council.

Harper has a degree from somewhere or other in economics, but has never had a job outside of politics.

Originally Posted by dave2003 (Post 9339523)

Well, I did say a pox on them all. I am sure most readers would understand that although Ignatieff, Harper and Layton can claim to have secured paying employment, it was as members of the administrator class whom I believe have ill-served us.

When I talk about a job, I mean one that requires getting up at 5.30 am everyday and subjecting oneself to the discipline of the work and market place. Perhaps if they had, they and their ilk would understand the real concerns of regular folk.