Micheal Jackson's music
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Re: Micheal Jackson's music
Certainly I am of an age that the whole descant of my years has probably had a Bee Gees, ABBA or a Michael Jackson tune playing in the background. Michael Jackson’s influence was everywhere if you liked or didn’t like him it was irrelevant, the soundtrack followed you through life.
In my youth, nobody ever suspected that Michael Jackson was ‘normal’, he was damned odd from practically the get go...remember Bubbles but then take any notable ‘star’ of yesteryear and politicians too for that matter - quite a big chunk of them were painted sepulchres and skeletons were loaded up to the rafters. They were different times...and that is no excuse, but they were - they were in the past. Jimmy Saville, GG and all these other losers are history.
We surely need to draw a line in the sand - Michael Jackson, Ike Turner et al should be judged for their artistic merit, not their personal irregularities.
Now we have a President of The US who says things about women, black people, Mexicans and anything else that comes to mind, R. Kelly accused of God knows what and a Labour Party that is apparently anti Jewish - all of these matters are happening now, and have happened during a time when information is instant - be it false or not. These things need to be judged using a current yardstick of unacceptability? The people involved knew that the information out there was likely to come out and bite them in the bum, but that doesn’t seem to have affected their, alleged, behaviour.
In my youth, nobody ever suspected that Michael Jackson was ‘normal’, he was damned odd from practically the get go...remember Bubbles but then take any notable ‘star’ of yesteryear and politicians too for that matter - quite a big chunk of them were painted sepulchres and skeletons were loaded up to the rafters. They were different times...and that is no excuse, but they were - they were in the past. Jimmy Saville, GG and all these other losers are history.
We surely need to draw a line in the sand - Michael Jackson, Ike Turner et al should be judged for their artistic merit, not their personal irregularities.
Now we have a President of The US who says things about women, black people, Mexicans and anything else that comes to mind, R. Kelly accused of God knows what and a Labour Party that is apparently anti Jewish - all of these matters are happening now, and have happened during a time when information is instant - be it false or not. These things need to be judged using a current yardstick of unacceptability? The people involved knew that the information out there was likely to come out and bite them in the bum, but that doesn’t seem to have affected their, alleged, behaviour.
#17
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Given the way people are hounded in and by media these days, sometimes understandably (if not fairly) and sometimes not, I wonder how many of us if, standing in an election, say, would fear something being dug up from their past. Or even present.
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I watched part 1 of the documentary. So in total 4 boys have now openly accused Michael Jackson at some point. At this stage it's hard not to conclude that there is likely no smoke without a fire.
I did also read the Guardian article by the director which was quite thought provoking when it addresses the subject that none of us really have an understanding of the profile of a predatory paedophile.
Super disturbing stuff. Not sure I want to watch part 2.
I did also read the Guardian article by the director which was quite thought provoking when it addresses the subject that none of us really have an understanding of the profile of a predatory paedophile.
Super disturbing stuff. Not sure I want to watch part 2.
#19
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I watched part 1 of the documentary. So in total 4 boys have now openly accused Michael Jackson at some point. At this stage it's hard not to conclude that there is likely no smoke without a fire.
I did also read the Guardian article by the director which was quite thought provoking when it addresses the subject that none of us really have an understanding of the profile of a predatory paedophile.
Super disturbing stuff. Not sure I want to watch part 2.
I did also read the Guardian article by the director which was quite thought provoking when it addresses the subject that none of us really have an understanding of the profile of a predatory paedophile.
Super disturbing stuff. Not sure I want to watch part 2.
Haven't seen P2 yet, but don't think it can be much worse than P1. Did see part of an Oprah discussion with these three (post screening) and an audience of victims. It is thought provoking as you say, I didn't quite get it before. I also think no smoke without fire.
I think the problem with his music is that it is so hard to separate it from him as a entertainer. There are plenty of musicians where you can focus on the music, and the musician(s) is peripheral, but not so with MJ. He was a bit like Elvis in that way. It's hard to know if turning a blind eye to his 'darkness' is being complicit or not. I suppose the most charitable outlook would be that MJ himself was deeply deeply troubled and flawed.
#21
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Up until this documentary I never believed Micheal Jackson was a peaodophile, sure he was one strange individual, but I thought it was as simple as him innocently enjoying the company of children as he missed out on his own childhood, and as a result was trying to relive it. However it seems this documentary has caused quite the stir, and although none of it has been proved, it sounds pretty convincing, I cannot personally comment as I have not seen it yet.
If this latest documentary turns out to be true, it will put a lot of people in tough position, as his music is so admired and enjoyed my so many people. Personally I think Micheal Jackson has written and performed some lengendary music that will be around for ever, it would be very sad to have that tarnished by such a sickening act if indeed it is true. As Shard says....the art and the artist should be separate, but as much as I admire his music I would find that a tough thing to do..... I think an act against children is the worst possible crime an individual can commit.
Up until such a time I will still enjoy his music....maybe I would feel different if I saw this documentary though...
If this latest documentary turns out to be true, it will put a lot of people in tough position, as his music is so admired and enjoyed my so many people. Personally I think Micheal Jackson has written and performed some lengendary music that will be around for ever, it would be very sad to have that tarnished by such a sickening act if indeed it is true. As Shard says....the art and the artist should be separate, but as much as I admire his music I would find that a tough thing to do..... I think an act against children is the worst possible crime an individual can commit.
Up until such a time I will still enjoy his music....maybe I would feel different if I saw this documentary though...
#22
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Up until this documentary I never believed Micheal Jackson was a peaodophile, sure he was one strange individual, but I thought it was as simple as him innocently enjoying the company of children as he missed out on his own childhood, and as a result was trying to relive it. However it seems this documentary has caused quite the stir, and although none of it has been proved, it sounds pretty convincing, I cannot personally comment as I have not seen it yet.
If this latest documentary turns out to be true, it will put a lot of people in tough position, as his music is so admired and enjoyed my so many people. Personally I think Micheal Jackson has written and performed some lengendary music that will be around for ever, it would be very sad to have that tarnished by such a sickening act if indeed it is true. As Shard says....the art and the artist should be separate, but as much as I admire his music I would find that a tough thing to do..... I think an act against children is the worst possible crime an individual can commit.
Up until such a time I will still enjoy his music....maybe I would feel different if I saw this documentary though...
If this latest documentary turns out to be true, it will put a lot of people in tough position, as his music is so admired and enjoyed my so many people. Personally I think Micheal Jackson has written and performed some lengendary music that will be around for ever, it would be very sad to have that tarnished by such a sickening act if indeed it is true. As Shard says....the art and the artist should be separate, but as much as I admire his music I would find that a tough thing to do..... I think an act against children is the worst possible crime an individual can commit.
Up until such a time I will still enjoy his music....maybe I would feel different if I saw this documentary though...
#25
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Haven't seen P2 yet, but don't think it can be much worse than P1. Did see part of an Oprah discussion with these three (post screening) and an audience of victims. It is thought provoking as you say, I didn't quite get it before. I also think no smoke without fire.
I think the problem with his music is that it is so hard to separate it from him as a entertainer. There are plenty of musicians where you can focus on the music, and the musician(s) is peripheral, but not so with MJ. He was a bit like Elvis in that way. It's hard to know if turning a blind eye to his 'darkness' is being complicit or not. I suppose the most charitable outlook would be that MJ himself was deeply deeply troubled and flawed.
Haven't seen P2 yet, but don't think it can be much worse than P1. Did see part of an Oprah discussion with these three (post screening) and an audience of victims. It is thought provoking as you say, I didn't quite get it before. I also think no smoke without fire.
I think the problem with his music is that it is so hard to separate it from him as a entertainer. There are plenty of musicians where you can focus on the music, and the musician(s) is peripheral, but not so with MJ. He was a bit like Elvis in that way. It's hard to know if turning a blind eye to his 'darkness' is being complicit or not. I suppose the most charitable outlook would be that MJ himself was deeply deeply troubled and flawed.
I do think the parents of the children involved have to take a long look at themselves. It does seem that they saw their child's relationship with Jackson as some kind of opportunity with out really being sensible and checking under the hood more diligently. As the Guardian article righty points out the guy regularly took small children to bed with him.
Anyway.......
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One has to ask if there is a possibility that Michael might have been Catholic (which I am) it would have put all this historical abuse into some sort of order? So much easier to push under the carpet and ignore?
#27
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A paedophile is a paedophile. If anything I'd suggest there are a lot more of them tucked away in the celebrity world and upper classes.