macadian

Could not agree more. It seems 'snowflakes rule'....😎

Former Lancastrian

If his surname was GRABHIM would we be having this discussion?

dbd33

If the President suddenly switched teams I would imagine so.

Almost Canadian

I can't imagine that seeing the licence plate would cause anyone to grab a woman that wouldn't have done so without seeing such a licence plate.


That's what I said above about shitty media. I bet that if anyone bothered to read the transcript of what the Judge actually said, there would be no outrage at all.


Have you read how long he had that plate for?


I guess it comes down to whether one has to avoid offending everyone.

Imagine one's last name is Weather. Would anyone seriously suggest that it was implying that one should piss at women?

BristolUK

You seriously think it's about cause and effect and not about fostering an attitude? Strewth.
Yes. How is that relevant?
Do you use the word retard? People do. Is it acceptable just because they've been using it a long time?

What about when a speed limit is deemed too high and consequently lowered. Is it okay for people to exceed the new limit because they've been doing it for a few years?

If something changes is it not reasonable for people to adapt?

R I C H

Someone's surname should be considered as fostering an attitude?

By that token, should the gentleman change his name? Perhaps Trump's comments shouldn't be extrapolated to the mispronunciation of an innocent man's name.

Nothing's changed for that man, just assumptions made about how his name should be spoken.

BristolUK

No, but driving around in a car that reads Grab Her might make people trivialise the idea of grabbing a woman in times when the US president was found to be talking about grabbing women.

How hard is this to understand?

No, just don't display it on his vehicle. That's not difficult is it?

Nothing's changed for The Naked Rambler. Is it okay for him to keep wandering around naked?

R I C H

But it's not spelt or displayed as 2 words. You've presented in way to try to prove a point. That's just misrepresentation.

I don't understand why you'd choose to misrepresent it.

AC made the point that he couldn't imagine that seeing the licence plate would cause anyone to grab a woman that wouldn't have done so without seeing such a licence plate.

If society's actions are manipulated by the misspelling or mispronunciation of words, then maybe Scunthorpe needs renaming. People need to take responsibility for their own actions, not blame a misrepresented licence plate.

bats

I've read it. He said just because she was drunk didn't mean that she couldn't consent, that alcohol removes inhibitions, that you do things you might not otherwise.

So really that's not consenting is it? You're not in your right mind when your so drunk you can't recall what happened.

If someone was that drunk when they signed a contract would it still be valid? Could you contest a will because the writer was roaring drunk?


It was a crap decision.

Almost Canadian

It's his name and he appears to have used the plate for years without anyone complaining. Now that someone has, he is no longer allowed to use it. Do you believe that that is proportionate?

Should he be prevented from displaying his name anywhere the public may see it?

bats

It's his name so if he's pratty enough to want a vanity plate then he should be allowed to use it. Do they allow people called Fuchs to use their name? Can't think of any others but I'm sure there are some.

Almost Canadian

I suggest you reread it, particularly the part where he said that the prosecution had failed to adduce any evidence as to the lack of consent. IIRC, the accuser couldn't say that she didn't actually consent. Innocent until proven guilty. The burden was on the Crown to show that she didn't consent, not upon him to prove that she did. The Crown was not able to do so.

I completely get that people don't like decisions that go against what they think should have happened but, thankfully the Court of public opinion is not what decides the matter.

It will be interesting to see what happens on appeal.

Former Lancastrian

So should he also remove his name from the phone book as thats on public display as well? Will Canada Post need to stop delivering his mail because a Postie might become offended? What other public records are his name on that if someone saw them then they to could become offended?
If it was 2 distinct words GRAB HER then yes there might be a case but its one word and thats his surname how hard is that to understand?

bats

I almost see what you're saying but if she was drunk enough to pee her pants then sent that drunk enough not to make a decision you might not otherwise?

What about the signing contracts comparison that I made?

The judge clearly wasn't impressed by the taxi driver and his actions.

BristolUK

And you really see no difference between driving around with the number plate for all to see and possibly laugh at and having the name tucked away inside a closed telephone book where people will only see it if they are looking up his name to find his number.

Okay...