Originally Posted by Oink

They're not "soft jobs" but are extensions of childrearing. Professions that were acceptable/non-threatening to a patriarchal society for middle-class women to practice. Also to note, it's interesting that zookeepers are paid a lot more than teachers.

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd

Excellent point sir, I always believe a married couple or cohabiting partners are a "team", and this is how i have always explained it to potential significant others from the start. I beleive each of you brings something to the table in a commited relationship, thats what makes it a sucessful relationship. TEAMwork!

Originally Posted by Oink

They're not "soft jobs" but are extensions of childrearing. Professions that were acceptable/non-threatening to a patriarchal society for middle-class women to practice. Also to note, it's interesting that zookeepers are paid a lot more than teachers.

Originally Posted by not2old

simple really isn't it

Going back 100 or so years, girls & women have been labelled (shoved) into less physical jobs than men & its stuck there, right there.

The 20's, through the 50's females have always mostly been in 'soft jobs'. These are jobs that don't require physical strength or that require workers to wear overalls, get their fingers or hands dirty (god forbid a broken nail - picture it)

Whether its as school teacher, nurses, daycaring/babysitting, char lady, domestic, store clerks/shop keepers, admin right down to fast food places... they have been 'labelled' and told (way back when) that the only jobs open to the majority of them would have been the soft jobs.

Society for the most part has expected to see the role play in certain jobs to be occupied by male or female

Thank goodness the war years showed & proved that females can be just as productive as the men, even though they got less pay & never barked about it

I think that from the 70's onwards more & more females are in what was once male dominant controlled jobs, away from the soft jobs into more professional jobs.

Here we are 2017 that the majority of retail jobs & clerical jobs are in the hands of females.

Walmart as an example know females are in the majority of retail jobs because thats the way its always been, so walmart continues down that path.

Are males more agressive when it comes to wage & workplace demands - well, still an equality there eh!

Gas station attendants, car mechanics, other trades was generally seen as a what a male did.

Men dug ditches, drove big trucks, coal miners, trades and were up till the 70's male dominated law enforcement, firefighters, airline pilots, and whatever else could only be done or justified roles that males do.

Equality & hand off of ALL male roles to females is not here yet.

Sure there are many females in the healthcare professions, as administrators, engineers, scientists, astronauts, accountants, lawyers, managers, executives. Still its not equal in terms of numbers or pay scale

Back to Walmart... its a female role by the fact its always been that way & probably society is expecting it to be just that & because the folks at the top running it are males, that will continue to pay these jobs at minimum wage

Originally Posted by Oink

They're not "soft jobs" but are extensions of childrearing. Professions that were acceptable/non-threatening to a patriarchal society for middle-class women to practice. Also to note, it's interesting that zookeepers are paid a lot more than teachers.

Originally Posted by Jsmth321

Lots of female zookeepers out there though.

San Diego currently has an opening for keeper, pay range is union and Hourly wage: $21.24 - $23.06.

So 40,780/yr to start assuming 40 hour week. (pre-tax)

San Diego Unified is in the middle of the pack with starting salaries of $42,209 for teachers who likely get better time off, healthcare and retirement.

Originally Posted by Hawkmoon77

Not sure where you get that from, Oink. Teachers are paid considerably more than zookeepers in BC. Our lass has been both, so I speak from personal experience.

Originally Posted by bats

No, I'm not trolling, nor being smart ass.

No I'm not talking solely about bullying, that as we know can happen to anyone whatever age or gender.

I think most would describe me as a strong character but here a a few examples of sexism I've come across.

Male doctors used to award points based on how many vertebral spinous processes they could count through our scrubs as we were bending and stretching using the equipment in the OR
One doctor used to stroke my hair and got very snippy when I told him not to.
Another wasn't pleased when I pushed him off as he stroked my neck. I was doing a CT at the time.
I've seen it happen to young women recently so I don't see a great deal of difference over the decades.
Male radiographers with less experience promoted above female.
Assumptions that men know more about computer related technology so women aren't trained in them, so of course women end up knowing less about computer related technology.

Equality? Yep physically we are expected to do the same work, lift a stretcher with a 300lb patient, small concession you might get the foot end but I think that was because I'm old.

Originally Posted by Stinkypup

I've never trusted male doctors, they all have that certain look about them- lecherous lotharios, the lot of them

Originally Posted by Stinkypup

I've never trusted male doctors, they all have that certain look about them- lecherous lotharios, the lot of them

Originally Posted by not2old

Females are stuck with a label of being child bearers, even though most don't want to have children

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Originally Posted by BristolUK

Is this who you had in mind?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...94_634x361.jpg

Originally Posted by Dorothy

Really? Where'd you get that from? Most women don't want to have children?

Originally Posted by not2old

Originally Posted by not2old