Making America Hate Again Ladies?
#76
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
That's pretty insulting isn't it? So those who don't have success are weak women? I'm older than you and my mother worked full time. She, as was I, was propositioned, assaulted, demeaned, belittled, by some of her employers and colleagues. We aren't weak women . I would say that those strong women in your life have had the same too, they just don't mention it as it's not unusual.
Now, for the marches, a peaceful protest is militant? The world would never have progressed if it weren't for protest marches. Most of the liberties that you enjoy now we're the result of protest.
I've read that scientists are going to march to protest against Trump's ban on public comments by the Environment Agency. Maybe Canadians should have marched when Harper gagged government employed scientists here.
Now, for the marches, a peaceful protest is militant? The world would never have progressed if it weren't for protest marches. Most of the liberties that you enjoy now we're the result of protest.
I've read that scientists are going to march to protest against Trump's ban on public comments by the Environment Agency. Maybe Canadians should have marched when Harper gagged government employed scientists here.
I don't insult people, that wasnt my intention, just because i said ive been used to being around strong women, its doesn't make other women weak! Quite the opposite, in my experience strong women are not the norm, so thats what has got them through the incidents you say, but this isnt taking anything away from other women, I whole heartedly agree they shouldnt have to deal with such inappropriate actions, from "men"
However, these kind of men dont stop at behaving like that to women, they will attack anyone including their male coworkers in a bid to make themselves look good or just because thats the way they are wired.
I am not one that relishes confrontation, I will avoid it if I can, but being this way puts me at a disadvangtage because its an easy target for these kind of people like they thing some women are an easy target.
Just two or three years ago, I had a run in with my boss, which kicked off a very bad relationship between us, he didnt like the fact i went over his head i something because i thought he was wrong. Following this i got blamed for stuff i didnt do, inaccurate data was held against me in career apprasials, and i was held back in my career progression, because he didnt like me....he was basically being a bully. I was livid....so i know what that feels like to be treated in that way to a certain extent.
Some time later it did end in confrontation, I had no choice but the good thing was, is that other people had noticed his behaviour towards me too. After it came to a head and i called him on it and got my ducks in a row to dispel his inaccurate data, he then backed off, and things have been ok since.
What im trying to say, is that many of these actions are by men who are out and out bullys and its not just women they target. Thankfully i feel its becoming less tolerated in the workplace and as i said, things are slowly progressing for women due to the gradual changes in gender roles compared to what they were just 30-40 years ago.
Im probably still missing your point, but i can only go in my own experiences, added to the fact that every single one of us see things differently.
#77
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
Could it be your own interpretation on that post, or are you simply just trying to 'smart ass' stir it up?
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Last edited by not2old; Jan 26th 2017 at 5:07 pm.
#78
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
Paul @ post # 76
You are wasting your time trying to justify your post to someone that I will say is a troll.
Best to ignore any jabs or wind-up's from posters that think they are 'smart ass'
Your 'personal life experience comments' & views to this thread have been decent & not insulting.... 'keep calm & carry on & ignore the troll
You are wasting your time trying to justify your post to someone that I will say is a troll.
Best to ignore any jabs or wind-up's from posters that think they are 'smart ass'
Your 'personal life experience comments' & views to this thread have been decent & not insulting.... 'keep calm & carry on & ignore the troll
#79
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
I totally get your point Paul, as I understand bats points too, I have had similar negative experiences, being bullied at work if u like, as such, made to work late and told to get on with it. On one occasion I was working London and followed a chap to Brighton, by the time the guy got to his destination it was 9 pm, I been on the road since 6am.
I was then told I needed to get back to London to start a Rush job 6am next day. I said I need a hotel and was told to work the Rush or go home !! I fell asleep on the motorway that night. Only for a few seconds, I almost hit the centre rail. The painted bumps woke me. It never happened again, in hindsight I should have just booked a Hotel and said F U. But the pressure is always on to pay the mortgage and bills !!!
I was then told I needed to get back to London to start a Rush job 6am next day. I said I need a hotel and was told to work the Rush or go home !! I fell asleep on the motorway that night. Only for a few seconds, I almost hit the centre rail. The painted bumps woke me. It never happened again, in hindsight I should have just booked a Hotel and said F U. But the pressure is always on to pay the mortgage and bills !!!
#80
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
derailing the thread....
bring back the good old days of 'mad men' the Don Draper, Peggy Olson & Joan Harris..... now that is how women fit in the workplace
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bring back the good old days of 'mad men' the Don Draper, Peggy Olson & Joan Harris..... now that is how women fit in the workplace
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Last edited by not2old; Jan 26th 2017 at 5:24 pm.
#83
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
is there such a thing ever as total equality?
Saying that, (without answering the following if you don't want to) take it that in a two person co-habiting male - female relationship, with or without children
which of you is boss in your household?
which of you makes the final decision?
which of you earns the most money or has the better job?
who in the two of you communicates the best?
are either of you not trustworthy?
have either of you been disloyal to the other?
when push comes to shove - which of you has the strongest personality.... 'my way or the highway'?
when all hell breaks loose - which of you rises to the top?
And BTW, the same questions apply for a same sex relationship
Saying that, (without answering the following if you don't want to) take it that in a two person co-habiting male - female relationship, with or without children
which of you is boss in your household?
which of you makes the final decision?
which of you earns the most money or has the better job?
who in the two of you communicates the best?
are either of you not trustworthy?
have either of you been disloyal to the other?
when push comes to shove - which of you has the strongest personality.... 'my way or the highway'?
when all hell breaks loose - which of you rises to the top?
And BTW, the same questions apply for a same sex relationship
#84
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Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
is there such a thing ever as total equality?
Saying that, (without answering the following if you don't want to) take it that in a two person co-habiting male - female relationship, with or without children
which of you is boss in your household?
would not say there is a boss really.
which of you makes the final decision?
we make decisions together.
which of you earns the most money or has the better job?
My wife earns more and typically has the better job.
who in the two of you communicates the best?
She does.
are either of you not trustworthy?
have either of you been disloyal to the other?
when push comes to shove - which of you has the strongest personality.... 'my way or the highway'?
She has a stronger outgoing personality but isnt the my way or highway type of person
when all hell breaks loose - which of you rises to the top?
She does. She manages stress far better then I do.
And BTW, the same questions apply for a same sex relationship
Saying that, (without answering the following if you don't want to) take it that in a two person co-habiting male - female relationship, with or without children
which of you is boss in your household?
would not say there is a boss really.
which of you makes the final decision?
we make decisions together.
which of you earns the most money or has the better job?
My wife earns more and typically has the better job.
who in the two of you communicates the best?
She does.
are either of you not trustworthy?
have either of you been disloyal to the other?
when push comes to shove - which of you has the strongest personality.... 'my way or the highway'?
She has a stronger outgoing personality but isnt the my way or highway type of person
when all hell breaks loose - which of you rises to the top?
She does. She manages stress far better then I do.
And BTW, the same questions apply for a same sex relationship
#85
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Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
I quite agree in many areas there aren't the jobs, and also for many moving because of limited financial resources isn't an option. However my post was more in response to looking at wage differences between groups and genders, and how to better address overall.
#87
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
is there such a thing ever as total equality?
Saying that, (without answering the following if you don't want to) take it that in a two person co-habiting male - female relationship, with or without children
which of you is boss in your household?
which of you makes the final decision?
which of you earns the most money or has the better job?
who in the two of you communicates the best?
are either of you not trustworthy?
have either of you been disloyal to the other?
when push comes to shove - which of you has the strongest personality.... 'my way or the highway'?
when all hell breaks loose - which of you rises to the top?
And BTW, the same questions apply for a same sex relationship
Saying that, (without answering the following if you don't want to) take it that in a two person co-habiting male - female relationship, with or without children
which of you is boss in your household?
which of you makes the final decision?
which of you earns the most money or has the better job?
who in the two of you communicates the best?
are either of you not trustworthy?
have either of you been disloyal to the other?
when push comes to shove - which of you has the strongest personality.... 'my way or the highway'?
when all hell breaks loose - which of you rises to the top?
And BTW, the same questions apply for a same sex relationship
#88
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
I totally get your point Paul, as I understand bats points too, I have had similar negative experiences, being bullied at work if u like, as such, made to work late and told to get on with it. On one occasion I was working London and followed a chap to Brighton, by the time the guy got to his destination it was 9 pm, I been on the road since 6am.
I was then told I needed to get back to London to start a Rush job 6am next day. I said I need a hotel and was told to work the Rush or go home !! I fell asleep on the motorway that night. Only for a few seconds, I almost hit the centre rail. The painted bumps woke me. It never happened again, in hindsight I should have just booked a Hotel and said F U. But the pressure is always on to pay the mortgage and bills !!!
I was then told I needed to get back to London to start a Rush job 6am next day. I said I need a hotel and was told to work the Rush or go home !! I fell asleep on the motorway that night. Only for a few seconds, I almost hit the centre rail. The painted bumps woke me. It never happened again, in hindsight I should have just booked a Hotel and said F U. But the pressure is always on to pay the mortgage and bills !!!
#89
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
Walmart is a poster child for problems in how US economy is structured. Workers who have a job yet qualify for food stamps show that the wages are way too low in many pats of he country.
Judging from local Walmart, many women working there for variety of reasons. Many simply their husbands' real wages haven't kept up with cost of living; some want shift work so they are at home when children out of school; sometime men earn less at some factory jobs but prefer that type of work or simply aren't good at being cashiers.
Judging from local Walmart, many women working there for variety of reasons. Many simply their husbands' real wages haven't kept up with cost of living; some want shift work so they are at home when children out of school; sometime men earn less at some factory jobs but prefer that type of work or simply aren't good at being cashiers.
Going back 100 or so years, girls & women have been labelled (shoved) into less physical jobs than men & its stuck there, right there.
The 20's, through the 50's females have always mostly been in 'soft jobs'. These are jobs that don't require physical strength or that require workers to wear overalls, get their fingers or hands dirty (god forbid a broken nail - picture it)
Whether its as school teacher, nurses, daycaring/babysitting, char lady, domestic, store clerks/shop keepers, admin right down to fast food places... they have been 'labelled' and told (way back when) that the only jobs open to the majority of them would have been the soft jobs.
Society for the most part has expected to see the role play in certain jobs to be occupied by male or female
Thank goodness the war years showed & proved that females can be just as productive as the men, even though they got less pay & never barked about it
I think that from the 70's onwards more & more females are in what was once male dominant controlled jobs, away from the soft jobs into more professional jobs.
Here we are 2017 that the majority of retail jobs & clerical jobs are in the hands of females.
Walmart as an example know females are in the majority of retail jobs because thats the way its always been, so walmart continues down that path.
Are males more agressive when it comes to wage & workplace demands - well, still an equality there eh!
Gas station attendants, car mechanics, other trades was generally seen as a what a male did.
Men dug ditches, drove big trucks, coal miners, trades and were up till the 70's male dominated law enforcement, firefighters, airline pilots, and whatever else could only be done or justified roles that males do.
Equality & hand off of ALL male roles to females is not here yet.
Sure there are many females in the healthcare professions, as administrators, engineers, scientists, astronauts, accountants, lawyers, managers, executives. Still its not equal in terms of numbers or pay scale
Back to Walmart... its a female role by the fact its always been that way & probably society is expecting it to be just that & because the folks at the top running it are males, that will continue to pay these jobs at minimum wage
Last edited by not2old; Jan 26th 2017 at 8:49 pm.
#90
Re: Making America Hate Again Ladies?
simple really isn't it
Going back 100 or so years, girls & women have been labelled (shoved) into less physical jobs than men & its stuck there, right there.
The 20's, through the 50's females have always mostly been in 'soft jobs'. These are jobs that don't require physical strength or that require workers to wear overalls, get their fingers or hands dirty (god forbid a broken nail - picture it)
Whether its as school teacher, nurses, daycaring/babysitting, char lady, domestic, store clerks/shop keepers, admin right down to fast food places... they have been 'labelled' and told (way back when) that the only jobs open to the majority of them would have been the soft jobs.
Society for the most part has expected to see the role play in certain jobs to be occupied by male or female
Going back 100 or so years, girls & women have been labelled (shoved) into less physical jobs than men & its stuck there, right there.
The 20's, through the 50's females have always mostly been in 'soft jobs'. These are jobs that don't require physical strength or that require workers to wear overalls, get their fingers or hands dirty (god forbid a broken nail - picture it)
Whether its as school teacher, nurses, daycaring/babysitting, char lady, domestic, store clerks/shop keepers, admin right down to fast food places... they have been 'labelled' and told (way back when) that the only jobs open to the majority of them would have been the soft jobs.
Society for the most part has expected to see the role play in certain jobs to be occupied by male or female