Paul_Shepherd

I don't believe its the religion of peace either, infact religion in general is the source of many disputes and hatred.

Anyway this part of the thread came about because ISIS had claimed responsibility and I commented that terrorists don't have to be from a traditional Muslim background to be an Islamic extremist.

Its a comment that is trying to be translated into something that its not, so has started to derail the thread somewhat.

Jingsamichty

P_S very quickly suggested that the shooter "might" be an Islamic extremist despite being a white man called John Doe. Distraction politics par excellence.

dave_j

We are victims of how we were brought up.

I was brought up in the UK. I never knew anyone who owned a gun and to this day don't feel the need or desire to own one. If I bump into a man in a bar it isn't my first reaction to ask myself if he's armed.

If I were brought up in the US where I probably wouldn't know anyone who didn't own a gun then on bumping into the man in the bar my first act might be to remove the safety on my automatic and be prepared... just in case, so I probably wouldn't hand it over.

Best not to bump into strange men or women in a bar.. for other reasons as well.

Paul_Shepherd

The news stated this morning that ISIS had claimed responsibility! That claim seems to have been played down now though, all I was doing was stating facts! Don't make more of the comment that it is!

Thats all I'm going to say about it now as its conversation thats going nowhere.

magnumpi

Is still not ruled out, but it's highly unlikely

dbd33

We're looking for white Islamic terrorists so white supremacists probably don't qualify.

BristolUK

Not even a Gat air pistol?



I remember something similar called a Webley but it was better than a Gat because when firing, the barrel didn't shoot out and spoil your aim.

magnumpi

We had a few gat guns and a rifle, used to shoot the crap out of my back garden when I got home drunk

dave_j

Not something to try in the middle of London in the block of flats I lived in.

magnumpi

It's acceptable practice in Blackpool, they do it on the pier so why not at my home

magnumpi

17 guns in the hotel room, 18 guns at his home, thousands of rounds of ammo, and explosives found at his house.

I am now wondering if the brother of this guy really knew his own brother that well ?

JamesM

Cat Stevens converted to Islam

scrubbedexpat091

According to the NY Times, 2 of the shooters 3 brothers said they were not close, and the 3rd was not able to be located with one of the brothers media spoke to saying he had not been in contact with the shooter in 20 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/u...s-shooter.html

magnumpi

Wow, he came across as he was close and certain his brother was not even into guns.

Have a feeling a lot of unknowns will surface soon enough

thistlehollyberry

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gunman-kil...151003919.html

now being reported that shooter was wealthy multimillionaire real estate investor. Maybe we should now be wary of such people!