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Steve_P Sep 1st 2006 6:07 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by IceMaiden
If people don't understand civility and good manners, it no wonder that children are growing up the way they are. Children learn by immitation, so if we want nice polite children we should be practising it ourselves!!

Come on give the next generation something to build on.

(climbs off soapbox).

Thank you...well said.

Craftybanshee Sep 1st 2006 6:38 am

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Sometimes I see silly questions on here. For example here's one I read today, "Do you need a driving license in Canada"? :rolleyes: I choose to ignore these postings, rather than say something nasty. There's enough of that as it is. Many peeps are stressed with emigrating, and afterwards when they get to Canada and have trouble settling etc. I use (or try to remember to) the search facility before posting a question. I try and be nice and help where I can, I've had a lot of support on here and appreciate it :) :beer:

Butch Cassidy Sep 1st 2006 6:53 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Hangman
Thank you...well said.

OK.

Since it was my response to Liz that sparked all this off I'm going to have my say.

1) It isn't just newbies that post 'stupid' questions or comments.
2) With the very very odd exception I have never had a go at any newbie for asking what others (or even I) consider a 'stupid' question
3) Certain individuals who post on this board have been in Canada for a long time and shouldnt need to ask half the things they do.
4) We all have bad days
5) As has been said before if you dont like a post(er) then just ignore it(them)
6) If you're looking for nicey nicey all the time this isnt the place to find it.

mjanovitz Sep 1st 2006 6:56 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by IceMaiden
If people don't understand civility and good manners, it no wonder that children are growing up the way they are. Children learn by immitation, so if we want nice polite children we should be practising it ourselves!!

Come on give the next generation something to build on.

(climbs off soapbox).

Look whose talking.....I will remind you that one day!!!!!!!! ;)

IceMaiden Sep 1st 2006 6:58 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
OK.

Since it was my response to Liz that sparked all this off I'm going to have my say.

1) It isn't just newbies that post 'stupid' questions or comments.
2) With the very very odd exception I have never had a go at any newbie for asking what others (or even I) consider a 'stupid' question
3) Certain individuals who post on this board have been in Canada for a long time and shouldnt need to ask half the things they do.
4) We all have bad days
5) As has been said before if you dont like a post(er) then just ignore it(them)
6) If you're looking for nicey nicey all the time this isnt the place to find it.

1) Why can't 'oldies' post questions too - stupid or not - it may not seem stupid to them
2) Why isn't this the place for nicey nicey all the time??? why does there have to be a put down? :confused:

IceMaiden Sep 1st 2006 7:00 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by mjanovitz
Look whose talking.....I will remind you that one day!!!!!!!! ;)

I am always (well usually) nice and polite. I only fire well aimed put downs when they are deserved :D

mjanovitz Sep 1st 2006 7:00 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Woodstock62
Well said Liz!

I am fed up of some of the nasty comments that pop up on here from time to time. There really is no need.

If you haven't got anything nice to say......

LOL, I must have a different idea of what nasty is, cos I can't say I have seen it on here. Little sarcasm maybe a little tongue in cheek ribbing........but nasty????

iaink Sep 1st 2006 7:03 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
OK.

Since it was my response to Liz that sparked all this off I'm going to have my say.

1) It isn't just newbies that post 'stupid' questions or comments.

Doesnt it really matter who posts them?


2) With the very very odd exception I have never had a go at any newbie for asking what others (or even I) consider a 'stupid' question
Fair enough


3) Certain individuals who post on this board have been in Canada for a long time and shouldnt need to ask half the things they do.
Maybe it just never came up before? Really what does it matter how long you have been here

4) We all have bad days
You arent the only one, maybe the people posting stupid questions they should have found the answer to years ago are also having a bad day too.

5) As has been said before if you dont like a post(er) then just ignore it(them)
Amen

6) If you're looking for nicey nicey all the time this isnt the place to find it.
I dont know anywhere that is, but on the other hand theres no point setting out to make waves either.

mjanovitz Sep 1st 2006 7:03 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas
You read my mind! :D (thou I don't mind the shut up bit - I just want the action). :o :D

Thought you would be too busy exposing your ports to be involved in this ;)

IceMaiden Sep 1st 2006 7:05 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by mjanovitz
Thought you would be too busy exposing your ports to be involved in this ;)

Ro is on a mission today! She is celebrating and started earlier without us :D

Butch Cassidy Sep 1st 2006 7:06 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by IceMaiden
1) Why can't 'oldies' post questions too - stupid or not - it may not seem stupid to them
2) Why isn't this the place for nicey nicey all the time??? why does there have to be a put down? :confused:

LOL
1) Oldies can post stupid questions as much as they like BUT they shouldnt complain when those of us who are sick to death with their (imvho) pathetic ramblings feel enough is enough and voice our opinions.
2) As mark said its not (usually) nasty put downs.

iaink Sep 1st 2006 7:06 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by mjanovitz
LOL, I must have a different idea of what nasty is, cos I can't say I have seen it on here. Little sarcasm maybe a little tongue in cheek ribbing........but nasty????

Really? I thought that was pretty nasty.

Time to move on and live and let live.

Butch Cassidy Sep 1st 2006 7:08 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by iaink
I dont know anywhere that is, but on the other hand theres no point setting out to make waves either.

Fair comment, BUT see my response to IceMaiden (please).
I have never intentionally set out to make waves (ok with one cradle canadian I did once or twice...................................Where is Ocean anyway??)

IceMaiden Sep 1st 2006 7:10 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
LOL
1) Oldies can post stupid questions as much as they like BUT they shouldnt complain when those of us who are sick to death with their (imvho) pathetic ramblings feel enough is enough and voice our opinions.
2) As mark said its not (usually) nasty put downs.

Why does it need to be a put down at all? Just leave them alone, don't answer!!

There are many times in life that we want to say "oh boll@%ks" but we don't, we just smile nicely and leave it alone. That makes for a much happier place.

Now I'll let you go get me a drink in the bar, sweetie :D

iaink Sep 1st 2006 7:12 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
Where is Ocean anyway??)

No, I agree, ...some people deserve all they get ;) And sometimes the temptation not to just say nothing is too strong....but sometimes the joke is wasted, and well...its hard to judge in what spirit a comment is made or taken, so if offence is caused its best just to apologise and move on eh!

mjanovitz Sep 1st 2006 7:22 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by iaink
Really? I thought that was pretty nasty.

Time to move on and live and let live.

Wow you are right....if I had been on the receiving end of that I would have had to go for a lie down! ;)

This is only a forum at the end of the day it's not the be all and end all. It isn't however a childs nursery school so due to human nature it's not going to be fluffy bunnies and lolly pops all the time. (sorry icemaiden)

To be honest I don't really feel comfortable being in a position of not agreeing with you cos you always seem well informed and provide good info. So I agree that something one person may not be bothered about another may find insulting.

Suffice it to say that in my personal opinion some people are far too sensitive, and should take anything said on here with a pinch of salt.

Mark

iaink Sep 1st 2006 7:26 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by mjanovitz

Suffice it to say that in my personal opinion some people are far too sensitive, and should take anything said on here with a pinch of salt.

Mark

Well, I'm not saying it was life threatening, but its not something I would like someone to say to my Gran either ;) Thin end of the wedge and all that, erosion of common decency yadda yadda yadda...

IceMaiden Sep 1st 2006 7:28 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by mjanovitz
Wow you are right....if I had been on the receiving end of that I would have had to go for a lie down! ;)

This is only a forum at the end of the day it's not the be all and end all. It isn't however a childs nursery school so due to human nature it's not going to be fluffy bunnies and lolly pops all the time. (sorry icemaiden)

To be honest I don't really feel comfortable being in a position of not agreeing with you cos you always seem well informed and provide good info. So I agree that something one person may not be bothered about another may find insulting.

Suffice it to say that in my personal opinion some people are far too sensitive, and should take anything said on here with a pinch of salt.

Mark

I know its not a nursery school. If, however, you think that it is ok to answer a simple question with either a very sarcastic or insulting answer then just wait until your son starts answering you back!!

A simple answer of "Do a search as this has been answered many time before" would suffice.

If anyone has any probs with my answers then they can meet me in the bar and buy me a drink :D

or4ngecrush Sep 1st 2006 7:39 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by lizwil98
I know this board is not called the "advice and answers to questions for people considering emigrating to Canada" but still that seems to be quite often the sort of unofficial function. So, when people come on the board and ask questions, I think the least we can do is to encourage them and be helpful.

So what if the question has been asked 100 times before - if you don't have time to answer it, then leave it to those who do. So what if the questions seems stupid to you - perhaps the person is not familiar with the Internet or with message boards etc. etc. so cut them some slack.

There have been a few posts on here recently from newcomers complaining about snotty replies. If the question has been asked 5000 times before, surely a proper response might be to suggest that the poster searches for similar threads - and tell them how to do it. I know that there are instructions, sometimes newcomers don't even know where to find the instructions. Or just answer the question again. Is it such a big deal?

I think if you don't have anything nice or constructive to say - then don't bother saying it! I would think it was very hurtful to be a newcomer asking a "stupid" question and getting a rude snotty response.

And now I suppose I will get responses saying that their mission in life is not to be nice to people - that is their prerogative - I personally try to be nice most of the time.


I always like your posts Liz you always seem so friendly and willing to help, more people should be like that. If your ever in Edinburgh your welcome for a cup of tea lol :D

Emma x

Biiiiink Sep 1st 2006 7:50 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
Where is Ocean anyway??

His computer might be a bit too wet at the moment for him to join us on here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5305226.stm

Butch Cassidy Sep 1st 2006 7:51 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Biiiiink
His computer might be a bit too wet at the moment for him to join us on here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5305226.stm

:D
I knew there was more than one reason I liked you Biiiiink. ;)

iaink Sep 1st 2006 7:56 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
:D
I knew there was more than one reason I liked you Biiiiink. ;)

Well, yeah, there's one on each side ;)


maybe that was one of those occasions it would be better to post nothing :o

Butch Cassidy Sep 1st 2006 7:58 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by iaink
Well, yeah, there's one on each side ;)


maybe that was one of those occasions it would be better to post nothing :o


Now that you mention it Biiiiink does have sexy ears. :rolleyes:

iaink Sep 1st 2006 8:00 am

Re: Just a comment
 
;)

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
Now that you mention it Biiiiink does have sexy ears. :rolleyes:

Yes......that was it....precisely :D


Good Catch there

willmore Sep 1st 2006 8:01 am

Re: Just a comment
 
To be honest I don't really feel comfortable being in a position of not agreeing with you cos you always seem well informed and provide good info.
Mark[/QUOTE]


If he was that well-informed he would be using a Mac instead of a PC! ;)

iaink Sep 1st 2006 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by willmore


If he was that well-informed he would be using a Mac instead of a PC! ;)

I just use the tools I'm given :p

willmore Sep 1st 2006 8:16 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by iaink
I just use the tools I'm given :p


Lacking as they may be! ;)

iaink Sep 1st 2006 8:21 am

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Originally Posted by willmore
Lacking as they may be! ;)

Dont tar everyone with the same brush just cos you arent smart enough to figure out how to use a PC to its full potential :p :p

windward Sep 1st 2006 8:52 am

Re: Just a comment
 

This is only a forum at the end of the day it's not the be all and end all. It isn't however a childs nursery school so due to human nature it's not going to be fluffy bunnies and lolly pops all the time. (sorry icemaiden)
I'm sorry, but the nature of the internet does not excuse some of what people say to one another on here imo. I can't imagine (though it would probably be refuted by those making the comments as they're the ones with 'backbone' or 'being honest') that the majority the nasty comments would come out if we were all having this discussion IRL in a café or similar...

Being civil, and having some bloody respect for your fellow human beings no matter how you happen to judge their 'stupid question' or spelling ability, is simple, and costs nothing. Tbh I have been posting on various boards for almost a decade now and the snidenesses I have seen here go beyond anything I have seen before.

The only point I agree with you on is in bold. This is only a forum. A place for people to exchange information and hopefully have a good time during; Granted personalities are what makes this place stand out but that is not an excuse to parade your ego around like it makes you a bigger or better person.

I feel harsh now I've written this, but I have sometimes really been shocked at the undeserved treatment some people get. It certainly doesn't apply to anyone in particular and I've not just seen it in the Canadian forums either, but if you're having a bad day - grab a stress ball, go tenderise some meat, whatever. It shouldn't be brought here.

edit: Macs are pretty, user-friendly, and more advanced than most PC's, but Majority Rules! Vive le PC!

willmore Sep 1st 2006 8:55 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by iaink
Dont tar everyone with the same brush just cos you arent smart enough to figure out how to use a PC to its full potential :p :p


Now how do you know that was the tool to which I was referring? ;)

Steve_P Sep 1st 2006 9:14 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by windward

Being civil, and having some bloody respect for your fellow human beings no matter how you happen to judge their 'stupid question' or spelling ability, is simple, and costs nothing. Tbh I have been posting on various boards for almost a decade now and the snidenesses I have seen here go beyond anything I have seen before.

This is not meant as anything other than a comment regarding forums. I have been a member of this one for just over a year and find it one of the most civil I've frequented.

I have frequented photo forums for over five years and an aviation forum for longer than that and this forum is friendly and polite to the nth degree in comparison. I have met people in person from this forum, I have never ever had the desire to do that on the aviation forum.

So I guess I am saying that it all depends on your own personal experience and perspective.

Cheers
Steve

iaink Sep 1st 2006 9:19 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by willmore
Now how do you know that was the tool to which I was referring? ;)

Have you been talking to my wife behind my back :scared:

mjanovitz Sep 1st 2006 9:33 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by windward
I'm sorry, but the nature of the internet does not excuse some of what people say to one another on here imo. I can't imagine (though it would probably be refuted by those making the comments as they're the ones with 'backbone' or 'being honest') that the majority the nasty comments would come out if we were all having this discussion IRL in a café or similar...

Being civil, and having some bloody respect for your fellow human beings no matter how you happen to judge their 'stupid question' or spelling ability, is simple, and costs nothing. Tbh I have been posting on various boards for almost a decade now and the snidenesses I have seen here go beyond anything I have seen before.

The only point I agree with you on is in bold. This is only a forum. A place for people to exchange information and hopefully have a good time during; Granted personalities are what makes this place stand out but that is not an excuse to parade your ego around like it makes you a bigger or better person.

I feel harsh now I've written this, but I have sometimes really been shocked at the undeserved treatment some people get. It certainly doesn't apply to anyone in particular and I've not just seen it in the Canadian forums either, but if you're having a bad day - grab a stress ball, go tenderise some meat, whatever. It shouldn't be brought here.

edit: Macs are pretty, user-friendly, and more advanced than most PC's, but Majority Rules! Vive le PC!

So why would you feel harsh for saying what you have. You have just expressed an opinion. I believe that is allowed ;)

I obviously dont read enough of the threads due to that other thing taking up my time, what is it now, ah yes my life!!!!!, because I honestly haven't read threads and thought my god thats outrageous.

I would also like to add that I personally have not been insulting to anyone (other than to those I know well enough to take it in the manner it was meant). Ok there was once I may have suggested someones thread was boring :eek: I am not advocating being insulting mean or nasty to people. I guess I'm just fed up with the threads moaning about threads, posts, the way people post etc etc etc.

mjanovitz Sep 1st 2006 9:46 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by IceMaiden
I know its not a nursery school. If, however, you think that it is ok to answer a simple question with either a very sarcastic or insulting answer then just wait until your son starts answering you back!!

A simple answer of "Do a search as this has been answered many time before" would suffice.

If anyone has any probs with my answers then they can meet me in the bar and buy me a drink :D

ok, here is one of the threads under discussion with my response. ok little sarcasm at the beginning but also constructive. Whats wrong with that.......I would argue nothing?????

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...55#post3669955

If I posted a thread and someone responded "Do a search as this has been answered many time before" I would think.....wow abrupt!!!!

Mark

Alberta_Rose Sep 1st 2006 11:46 am

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by mjanovitz
ok, here is one of the threads under discussion with my response. ok little sarcasm at the beginning but also constructive. Whats wrong with that.......I would argue nothing?????

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...55#post3669955

Mark

That, I would say was fairly mild, and then informative, ...... but I note that the poster did not post again since those first two posts.

So either we scared him off, or he has taken the advice and gone to do some research. :D

acer rose Sep 1st 2006 8:04 pm

Re: Just a comment
 

Originally Posted by Hangman
This is not meant as anything other than a comment regarding forums. I have been a member of this one for just over a year and find it one of the most civil I've frequented.

I have frequented photo forums for over five years and an aviation forum for longer than that and this forum is friendly and polite to the nth degree in comparison. I have met people in person from this forum, I have never ever had the desire to do that on the aviation forum.

So I guess I am saying that it all depends on your own personal experience and perspective.

Cheers
Steve

I have to agree there. There are several discussion groups out there (travel or specific location related) that regularly descend into rascist rants or just plain foul languaged slanging matches. This well-moderated (yeah, it's called sucking up :D ) group is the height of civility and tolerance in comparison.

I've been around here for a while, and I've used the internet since before it was widely available to the public. Sometimes, the information you find is contradictory, even from what seem to be kosher sources. Webpages often get moved rather than updated but the old ones stay out in the virtual world. Sometimes you just use the wrong search terms (often enough I've looked for a previous post that I know exists but it takes several attempts to hit it). Sometimes you just want somebody to say "don't worry, I've been there before and survived" but can't think of a "good" question to start the ball rolling.

If somebody really upsets you, use the ignore button. I have never got round to using it (though it has been tempting at times) as those that have been rude to me (in my opinion) have generally posted useful information elsewhere. Grow a thick skin (sarcasm can be quite entertaining to onlookers), be nice to other people, don't worry when people are not responding (it is not personal - they are not deliberately "dissing" you) and learn when to say sorry. It is amazing how much human interactions depend on body posture and facial expressions - not always possible to pick these up through a written medium.

Oh, and don't stress about how other people choose to advertise sending/receiving karma, messages etc. In the big scheme of things, there is more to worry about, even in the virtual world.

Tiffin Tease Sep 2nd 2006 12:53 am

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I think everyone is just trying to get along and be as helpful as they can but sometimes, as in real life, people get up other's noses and it's just a matter of how you choose to deal with it.

One of the biggest problems in any written communication is that things sometimes get lost in translation - not just because the written word loses much of the emphasis that the voice and face bring to a conversation but also humour and, particularly the great British pastime of covert wit and comedy sarcasm or saucy remarks (and I do mean the genuinely funny, what makes us British humour type) can also be lost, which is a real shame (did I really say saucy? - how very 'Carry On' of me....ooooh matron!).

This doesn't happen a lot but I have noticed that it has caused a couple of problems here when someone has misread a completely innocent remark made in one of these ways.

Personally speaking I am soooo glad I found this site as it has been a great place to get advice (sometimes give some when I can) and the majority of people I have come across have been great so beers all round :beer: :beer: :) :)

Alberta_Rose Sep 2nd 2006 5:49 am

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Originally Posted by acer rose

If somebody really upsets you, use the ignore button.

I have two problems with the ignore button.

One is my own silly fault : I let my curiosity get the better of me, and take it off so I can see what "they've" written since I started ignoring them. (*slaps head*) :p

The other is more general, and that is the habit people have of replying with a quote (usually unecessary) which has my "ignoree's" rude/stupid/outrageous postings in full! :rolleyes: so I think "why did I bother???" :mad:

Tiffin Tease Sep 2nd 2006 5:52 am

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[QUOTE=Morwenna]I have two problems with the ignore button.

One is my own silly fault : I let my curiosity get the better of me, and take it off so I can see what "they've" written since I started ignoring them. (*slaps head*) :p

Glad i'm not the only one who's a curious kitty.... :)

Steve_P Sep 2nd 2006 6:04 am

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Originally Posted by Ki76

Originally Posted by Morwenna
I have two problems with the ignore button.

One is my own silly fault : I let my curiosity get the better of me, and take it off so I can see what "they've" written since I started ignoring them. (*slaps head*) :p

Glad i'm not the only one who's a curious kitty.... :)


Me three.:rolleyes:


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