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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557752)
I think that not posting every detail definitely helps things - doesn't give people ammunition.
But some kids are bullied for no good reason, and the internet gives the bullies an easy way to carry out their bullying out of sight from parents and teachers. Parents certainly need to educate their kids about the use of social media... and I'm all for parents monitoring what their kids are doing online, both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557745)
I have two daughters and numerous nephews and nieces, children of friends that are at an age where they post regularly on such accounts. The ones that choose to give all their details out to everyone, have issues with cyber bullying. Those that don't, don't have any such issues.
I am not justifying what the bullies are doing as, clearly, what they are doing is wrong but, if one wishes to be "connected" one must also accept the risks that results. Risk increases with exposure, simple as that. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11557844)
Perfectly sensible comment IMO.
Risk increases with exposure, simple as that. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557800)
Where did I suggest that it would have? If a teenaged child is to operate in a social world dominated by technology and social media, then suggesting that they simply not use social media sites is rather naive. If their genuine friends are arranging to hang out at the mall, or go drink beer in the woods, or even set up a homework study session, they'll likely do so via whatever is the social media site in vogue at the time - whether that's snapchat, twitter, instagram or whatever is the flavour of this week. To prevent a bullied kid from using those sites because that's also where the bullies hang out, is to drive the child further into social isolation and likely increase the possibilty of, erm, negative psychological outcomes. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
As a parent of teenagers, I am only too aware that they are way ahead of me when it comes to social media (I've never heard of Yik Yak Schnooks?) and am constantly warning them about putting too much of themselves out there, but I don't think even if you are being bullied it's as simple as staying away from the sites. In my day it may have been toilet walls rather than Internet sites, but not reading it didn't mean it wasn't there, with everyone else reading it.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11557850)
It was my internet name what finally got me captured for doing in them brasses at that farm in Coquitlem.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557852)
Everything you said in your previous post heaped blame upon the bullied for allowing themselves to be put in a position (through oversharing on social media) to be bullied in the first place. Since you ask for specifics, how about "The ones that choose to give all their details out to everyone, have issues with cyber bullying. Those that don't, don't have any such issues." So far as I'm aware from the extensive media coverage, the unfortunate Ms Parsons was not renowned for the salacious detail she shared on Facebook. It was what other people posted about her that was so hurtful.
If a teenaged child is to operate in a social world dominated by technology and social media, then suggesting that they simply not use social media sites is rather naive. If their genuine friends are arranging to hang out at the mall, or go drink beer in the woods, or even set up a homework study session, they'll likely do so via whatever is the social media site in vogue at the time - whether that's snapchat, twitter, instagram or whatever is the flavour of this week. To prevent a bullied kid from using those sites because that's also where the bullies hang out, is to drive the child further into social isolation and likely increase the possibilty of, erm, negative psychological outcomes. The bullying element of the risk one takes is, of course, an unfortunate consequences of social media, but it is a risk that is known. I suspect that bullying has existed as long as humans have existed, and it will continue to exist. Out of interest, what advice would you give to one of your children caught in such a situation? |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Biiiiink
(Post 11557715)
Similar happened to me right here in the Canada forum - debating with 2 regular posters, one of them didn't like my opinions and comments and took it upon themselves to email links to them all to the relevant wrist slapper in what they no doubt hoped was a career-ruining move.
This was almost a decade ago, before people used Google Alerts or similar, and whilst I knew this was a public forum, I did feel that what was said here was relatively "safe", you'd have had to go some to dig it up at the time. I'd also assumed that at best there was a code of honour among regulars, at worst they were far too lazy to start emailing and shit stirring... wrong. Shortly after that in another heated debate, a different regular threatened to email someone's boss telling them what their daily average working hours post count on BE was... classy. PS - nice to see you back ;0) |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557752)
Parents certainly need to educate their kids about the use of social media... and I'm all for parents monitoring what their kids are doing online, both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557752)
. . . both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11557397)
Just out of curiosity, why?
I understand why some people use it, but why would you not hire someone for not having one? The corporate world sounds confusing, must be why I avoid....;) It can help you ascertain pieces of an organisation chart and contacts (plus communication) method to infiltrate the organisation. If you don't have a LinkedIn account then you are out of touch with modern business to business sales techniques. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11557898)
If you don't have a LinkedIn account then you are out of touch with modern business to business sales techniques.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 11557919)
Plus it gives discounts at Hooters. ;)
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557870)
Well, I have personal and professional experience of this, and I have also had conferences with numerous child psychologists (primarily through my occupation but also when a child very close to me experienced such issues), all of whom have suggested refraining from using such sites or, if they "have" to be used, to tighten their security settings so as to ensure that only those they wish to contact are able to do so. Of course, I accept that you may believe that I should defer to your greater expertise :p
The bullying element of the risk one takes is, of course, an unfortunate consequences of social media, but it is a risk that is known. I suspect that bullying has existed as long as humans have existed, and it will continue to exist. Out of interest, what advice would you give to one of your children caught in such a situation? As you may have picked up from the tone of my responses, this discussion has touched a nerve. I, too, have experience of a child close to me (not my own) victimised online. It is a very difficult situation to manage. Of course they should be encouraged (and guided as necessary) to tighten security settings, and limit their friends/contacts/buddies to only people they know well and trust. But, as Teaandtoday pointed out a handful of posts back, that does not stop the comments being made, it merely prevents direct exposure to them. It is (or was, in the case I'm familiar with) less than half the battle, as the "real world" gossip is driven by online posts, regardless of whether the victims themselves read the online content. I don't know what advice I would give to my own children. Only one of them is old enough to have a significant online presence, and we have tried as much as we can to balance trust with oversight. That child doesn't do "general" social media such as facebook or instagram, and has agreed that we have a mirror of two email accounts on devices managed by parents. But there's a lot of peer pressure to allow collaborative online gaming, for example, which I am very wary of. Sharing a gaming session with one or two chosen friends on a console is one thing; something as public as joining a group on Clash of Clans, with its public and private messageboards, is something else entirely. I obviously bow to your greater knowledge and professional experience in matters of law, but your comments up-thread came across as somewhat imperious and more than a little simplistic. It is of course a very complicated and emotional subject, but I think I've said my piece and will withdraw from this one now. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557943)
I was going to put a :goodpost: thingy on this, but it's a curate's egg for me.
As you may have picked up from the tone of my responses, this discussion has touched a nerve. I, too, have experience of a child close to me (not my own) victimised online. It is a very difficult situation to manage. Of course they should be encouraged (and guided as necessary) to tighten security settings, and limit their friends/contacts/buddies to only people they know well and trust. But, as Teaandtoday pointed out a handful of posts back, that does not stop the comments being made, it merely prevents direct exposure to them. It is (or was, in the case I'm familiar with) less than half the battle, as the "real world" gossip is driven by online posts, regardless of whether the victims themselves read the online content. I don't know what advice I would give to my own children. Only one of them is old enough to have a significant online presence, and we have tried as much as we can to balance trust with oversight. That child doesn't do "general" social media such as facebook or instagram, and has agreed that we have a mirror of two email accounts on devices managed by parents. But there's a lot of peer pressure to allow collaborative online gaming, for example, which I am very wary of. Sharing a gaming session with one or two chosen friends on a console is one thing; something as public as joining a group on Clash of Clans, with its public and private messageboards, is something else entirely. I obviously bow to your greater knowledge and professional experience in matters of law, but your comments up-thread came across as somewhat imperious and more than a little simplistic. It is of course a very complicated and emotional subject, but I think I've said my piece and will withdraw from this one now. I don't believe my expertise in law has any real bearing on this particular subject and, again, I apologise if I came across as imperious. |
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