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Jingsamichty Sep 16th 2008 9:45 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6790418)
Where do you get the idea that the term expatriate or expat refers only to temporary situations? :confused:

I just checked four on line dictionaries and none of them refer to anything temporary.

I didn't check any dictionary definitions - that's why I put "(incorrect?)" in my opening sentence, Steve.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, just that in my perception an Expat is temporary, and the relocation is primarily related to work and is paid for by an employer.

Conversely, an Emigrant chooses to permanently live in another country and perhaps take citizenship.

Is an Expat and and Emigrant the same thing?
Does an Emigrant ever stop being an Emigrant, and become an Immigrant or a Citizen instead?
Can one simultaneously be a Citizen of Country A, an Emigrant, an Expatriate, an Immigrant and a Citizen of Country B?? (Sounds like a recipe for a large tax bill :lol:)

I don't know, MMC just got me wondering, that's all. :rofl:

fledermaus Sep 16th 2008 9:48 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6790418)
Where do you get the idea that the term expatriate or expat refers only to temporary situations? :confused:

I just checked four on line dictionaries and none of them refer to anything temporary.

I think expat. can be either, whereas emigrating is more permanent. I dont think "expating" is a solely temporary thing, it denotes that someone is living in a country other than their own. So the British part of "British Expats" says where the people came from.

I suppose if you extrapolate this, then once you adopt a new country you are at home and so no longer an expat?? Perhaps this is why Jings thinks of himself as an expat rather than an emigrant?

mandymoochops Sep 16th 2008 9:51 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 6790500)
I didn't check any dictionary definitions - that's why I put "(incorrect?)" in my opening sentence, Steve.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, just that in my perception an Expat is temporary, and the relocation is primarily related to work and is paid for by an employer.

Conversely, an Emigrant chooses to permanently live in another country and perhaps take citizenship.

Is an Expat and and Emigrant the same thing?
Does an Emigrant ever stop being an Emigrant, and become an Immigrant or a Citizen instead?
Can one simultaneously be a Citizen of Country A, an Emigrant, an Expatriate, an Immigrant and a Citizen of Country B?? (Sounds like a recipe for a large tax bill :lol:)

I don't know, MMC just got me wondering, that's all. :rofl:

lol cheers!

My perception on the xpat thing is if you take the opposite ie re-patriate that means to restore to the country of origin /birth.

So the word expatriate would by definition mean a person who is no longer at their place of birth or origin.

Jingsamichty Sep 16th 2008 9:54 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 6790521)
lol cheers!

My perception on the xpat thing is if you take the opposite ie re-patriate that means to restore to the country of origin /birth.

So the word expatriate would by definition mean a person who is no longer at their place of birth or origin.

Well, perhaps "-patriate" refers to a fatherland, or rather one's home, or home country.

If someone becomes a citizen of a new country, or even has permanent residence there, then surely that become their "home country"?

sans Sep 16th 2008 9:57 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 6790521)
lol cheers!

My perception on the xpat thing is if you take the opposite ie re-patriate that means to restore to the country of origin /birth.

So the word expatriate would by definition mean a person who is no longer at their place of birth or origin.

Expatriate .......someone who chooses to live in a country not of his/her birth...........So does that make me a re-patriate twice over:lol: I knew their was a name for it , other then a ping -ponging -pom :eek:

sans Sep 16th 2008 9:59 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 6790533)
Well, perhaps "-patriate" refers to a fatherland, or rather one's home, or home country.

If someone becomes a citizen of a new country, or even has permanent residence there, then surely that become their "home country"?

Are but not their Birth Country............:p

Steve_P Sep 16th 2008 10:03 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 6790500)


Is an Expat and and Emigrant the same thing?

Not necessarily one can be an expat like yourself (I think) but not an emigrant.
In my case yes I am an emigrant and expat.

Does an Emigrant ever stop being an Emigrant, and become an Immigrant or a Citizen instead?

I would say that as far as the UK is concerned I will always be an emigrant, and as far as Canada is concerned I will always be an immigrant.
I emigrated from England and immigrated to Canada, all on the same day.;)

Can one simultaneously be a Citizen of Country A, an Emigrant, an Expatriate, an Immigrant and a Citizen of Country B?? (Sounds like a recipe for a large tax bill :lol:)

I don't believe in my case that I am a citizen of the UK, but I am and always will be an emigrant and expatriate.

I am a Canadian immigrant and citizen.

Now you're not confused am I? :confused:

mandymoochops Sep 16th 2008 10:05 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 6790533)
Well, perhaps "-patriate" refers to a fatherland, or rather one's home, or home country.

If someone becomes a citizen of a new country, or even has permanent residence there, then surely that become their "home country"?

Yes that is also a possibility although the words birth / origin came straight from the dictionary and i would take origin to mean right at the very beginning - where it all began!!!!!

It also can mean the point at which something came into existence. You could argue that if you were unhappy in England you came into existence spiritually (sorry Bazzz) when you moved to Canada.

This is the "problem" with words. Everyone can rework a word or a sentence so in effect it is easy to justify anything meaning anything

fledermaus Sep 16th 2008 10:10 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 6790533)
Well, perhaps "-patriate" refers to a fatherland, or rather one's home, or home country.

If someone becomes a citizen of a new country, or even has permanent residence there, then surely that become their "home country"?

i said that.....

wearing invisible woman cloak again....

mandymoochops Sep 16th 2008 10:15 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 6790596)
i said that.....

wearing invisible woman cloak again....

No you're not hun :wub:

Jingsamichty Sep 16th 2008 10:18 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 6790512)
I think expat. can be either, whereas emigrating is more permanent. I dont think "expating" is a solely temporary thing, it denotes that someone is living in a country other than their own. So the British part of "British Expats" says where the people came from.

I suppose if you extrapolate this, then once you adopt a new country you are at home and so no longer an expat?? Perhaps this is why Jings thinks of himself as an expat rather than an emigrant?

Extrapolate? Is that the immigrant Polish builders in the UK? :rofl:

Steve_P Sep 16th 2008 10:23 am

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 6790627)
Extrapolate? Is that the immigrant Polish builders in the UK? :rofl:

Extra polate.

one more polate than one really needs.;):rofl::rofl::rofl:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=polate

dingbat Sep 16th 2008 2:06 pm

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 
So...I will show my age. Emigrate (to leave one's home country for another) must come from the Latin ēmigrāre.....kind of self explanatory...no?:confused:

pinkmcfarquhar Sep 16th 2008 2:32 pm

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 
.............my head hurts.............

Lorna_D Sep 16th 2008 3:13 pm

Re: Immigrate or Emigrate
 

Originally Posted by pinkmcfarquhar (Post 6791103)
.............my head hurts.............

Here, have a drink :beer: we can just sit on the side and listen.


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