HOT Lanes GTA
Oh my !! So after the failings of the empty, low use stupid Pan Am HOV lanes comes the HOT lane!!! FFS if I want to pay thru the nose to travel X town I will use the 407.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...-highways.html |
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Will they allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes like they did during PAG?
Have they heard of motorcycles? |
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I Suppose, as long as 3 or more are riding on board, like they do in New Deli
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That'd be more like 5 or more on board. They should pay the rider.
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 11809631)
Oh my !! So after the failings of the empty, low use stupid Pan Am HOV lanes comes the HOT lane!!! FFS if I want to pay thru the nose to travel X town I will use the 407.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...-highways.html |
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Originally Posted by irfyg
(Post 11809847)
What we need is more access routes into the City, not changing the ones we currently have to cost more...:zzz:
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Originally Posted by irfyg
(Post 11809847)
What we need is more access routes into the City, not changing the ones we currently have to cost more...:zzz:
Building more roads costs money. Tolls bring in money. Governments will almost always choose collecting higher taxes over spending more to fix a problem... because, you know, moar moolah. |
Re: HOT Lanes GTA
Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 11809631)
Oh my !! So after the failings of the empty, low use stupid Pan Am HOV lanes comes the HOT lane!!! FFS if I want to pay thru the nose to travel X town I will use the 407.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...-highways.html |
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the more I look at this HOT lane pilot proposal, the sillier it sounds.
First, the stretch of road they've chosen: the 403/QEW through Burlington and Oakville. This is one of the more lightly-trafficked highway segments in the GTA. Sure, it does get a bit full during morning and evening peaks, but there are many times of day when it's actually quicker to use the general purpose lanes than the existing HOV when carrying passengers. And when it snarls up, the HOV lane is as often as not the worst affected. Second, there's already an alternate route for toll-paying drivers. The 407 meets this road right where the HOV lane starts, and bypasses all the traffic to meet the 403 at the western edge of Mississauga. I suppose it's a little bit of bother to get back onto the Toronto-bound QEW from there, but if saving time is the object, it's probably still quicker than sitting in traffic through Burlington and Oakville. And it joins the 403 just where the HOV lanes start again through that section (but that lane is not proposed for an HOT trial). So, they're offering an HOT alternative that parallels an existing toll road, but where it might actually carry some traffic out of the general purpose lanes, it's not being offered as an option. Anybody would think that the thing is being set up to fail - so that the government can maintain that they honoured a promise but that consultation and trials showed there was not sufficient demand and the whole program will be quietly dropped. That would be no bad thing, IMO: what Toronto really needs is a good reason for people NOT to drive into downtown, not fiddles to make it easier to do so. I would implement what London has done: a congestion charging zone for anybody driving into downtown, with "free routes" for crosstown traffic on the 401 and Gardiner/DVP, and maybe a couple of others, but every exit ramp and junction from those exempt routes would trigger a $5 a day congestion charge. If a metropolis the size and scope of London can do that successfully, so can a middling provincial city like Toronto. Of course, it would take political will, so it won't ever happen here. |
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11810978)
Shouldn't they be called SOT lanes? :confused:
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Originally Posted by irfyg
(Post 11809847)
What we need is more access routes into the City, not changing the ones we currently have to cost more...:zzz:
Large SUV's and pickup trucks that aren't used for farming or construction in large urban areas in Canada plus the relative low cost of gas plus the relatively low cost of car ownership has created a lot of this problem. The sprawly nature of our suburban areas has also created the high number of vehicles on the road compared to our population. I'd be for the idea of charging once you get off a 400 series highway in the downtown area if you don't live there. |
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Originally Posted by Partially discharged
(Post 11811034)
Standard transportation planning analysis has shown that if you build it they will come. In other words if you have a 2 lane road (in each direction) and you add a 3rd lane to each after a certain number of years traffic volumes will be back to the same level per lane that they were when it was 2 lanes. The perception will be that there is now a 3 lane road which will allow for quick journeys and enough people will go that way in the misguided belief that their journey will be quicker.
Large SUV's and pickup trucks that aren't used for farming or construction in large urban areas in Canada plus the relative low cost of gas plus the relatively low cost of car ownership has created a lot of this problem. The sprawly nature of our suburban areas has also created the high number of vehicles on the road compared to our population. I'd be for the idea of charging once you get off a 400 series highway in the downtown area if you don't live there. |
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Originally Posted by Partially discharged
(Post 11811034)
Standard transportation planning analysis has shown that if you build it they will come. In other words if you have a 2 lane road (in each direction) and you add a 3rd lane to each after a certain number of years traffic volumes will be back to the same level per lane that they were when it was 2 lanes.
But it's all kind of silly anyway. In twenty years, we'll rent a drone body at the destination when we need to 'go' somewhere. Roads will be just so passe. |
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Originally Posted by MarkG
(Post 11811104)
That's what happens when you refuse to build enough transport capacity to meet demand. 'We built a new road, but those sick bastards who pay the transport taxes actually used it! It's not fair!'
But it's all kind of silly anyway. In twenty years, we'll rent a drone body at the destination when we need to 'go' somewhere. Roads will be just so passe. |
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Originally Posted by Pizzawheel
(Post 11811059)
Amen. Can we have some transit now please?
I think "HOT" lanes are a good idea, but they've put them in a redundant spot where the 407 already exists. They should put them on the QEW heading eastbound towards the Gardiner/427 after it splits from 403. 401 already has a gazillion lanes, the QEW eastbound through Mississauga is the only one thats lacking IMO. |
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