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British Columbian Sep 10th 2024 12:07 pm

HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 
Every 2 years i fill in and send off the Proof of life certificate to HMRC international pension centre, then after a couple of weeks i phone to make sure they have received it. 10 days ago i sent in the form as normal and low and behold to day i received a text from HMRC saying they had received my form, they have never ever acknowledged the receipt before. i bet that after the fiasco in 2022 they started sending texts to confirm receipt of form, but at least its a step in the right direction, now they just need to give us the yearly increase , but i cant see that happening any time soon with the new govt who seem to want to stick it to pensioners any way they can.

Kingsboy48 Sep 28th 2024 7:00 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by British Columbian (Post 13275002)
Every 2 years i fill in and send off the Proof of life certificate to HMRC international pension centre, then after a couple of weeks i phone to make sure they have received it. 10 days ago i sent in the form as normal and low and behold to day i received a text from HMRC saying they had received my form, they have never ever acknowledged the receipt before. i bet that after the fiasco in 2022 they started sending texts to confirm receipt of form, but at least its a step in the right direction, now they just need to give us the yearly increase , but i cant see that happening any time soon with the new govt who seem to want to stick it to pensioners any way they can.

My wife and I mailed our POL certificates today, Saturday 28th Sept. Be interesting to see if we get texts in a week or two, I will post again if and when they do or not.
Always believe that Starmer will do the right thing for us seniors. I wrote to my newly appointed Labour MP about indexed pensions and the promised UK pension review but yet to get a reply, will prod him again in 5 or 6 weeks if I've not heard back by then.

shelley748 Oct 20th 2024 1:22 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 
my POL form was sent via registered mail Oct 1st- its still sitting in transit!!! GRRR

dbd33 Oct 20th 2024 11:27 pm

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 
I sent my by regular mail a couple of weeks ago and have received the txt confirming the pension authority believe me to be alive.

BristolUK Oct 21st 2024 7:24 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13281434)
I sent my by regular mail a couple of weeks ago and have received the txt confirming the pension authority believe me to be alive.

You like to live dangerously :lol:
See here

Kingsboy48 Nov 21st 2024 4:40 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by Kingsboy48 (Post 13277831)
My wife and I mailed our POL certificates today, Saturday 28th Sept. Be interesting to see if we get texts in a week or two, I will post again if and when they do or not.
Always believe that Starmer will do the right thing for us seniors. I wrote to my newly appointed Labour MP about indexed pensions and the promised UK pension review but yet to get a reply, will prod him again in 5 or 6 weeks if I've not heard back by then.

I did not get a text or email to say our POLs had been received so yesterday I emailed them to ask if they had them. I had an email reply this morning to say our POLs were received and entered into the system on 17th Oct.

btar Nov 21st 2024 6:37 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 
I returned my certificate some months ago but heard nothing. Could you share the email address that you used to contact them please?
Thanks

mikelincs Nov 21st 2024 9:49 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by British Columbian (Post 13275002)
Every 2 years i fill in and send off the Proof of life certificate to HMRC international pension centre, then after a couple of weeks i phone to make sure they have received it. 10 days ago i sent in the form as normal and low and behold to day i received a text from HMRC saying they had received my form, they have never ever acknowledged the receipt before. i bet that after the fiasco in 2022 they started sending texts to confirm receipt of form, but at least its a step in the right direction, now they just need to give us the yearly increase , but i cant see that happening any time soon with the new govt who seem to want to stick it to pensioners any way they can.

You have to realise that the increases are agreed with the government who offer a reciprocal agreement the USA has done this, the Canadian Government, for whatever reason has not agreed to this.

Kingsboy48 Nov 21st 2024 11:11 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by btar (Post 13286863)
I returned my certificate some months ago but heard nothing. Could you share the email address that you used to contact them please?
Thanks

I used the 'online enquiry form' on the international pension service website https://www.gov.uk/international-pension-centre see below
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4833abac92.jpg

Kingsboy48 Nov 21st 2024 11:18 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 13286876)
You have to realise that the increases are agreed with the government who offer a reciprocal agreement the USA has done this, the Canadian Government, for whatever reason has not agreed to this.

Just in case you do not know, no reciprocal agreement between the UK and Canada is actually necessary in order to uprate pensions, it can be done by a simple,unilateral, vote in Westminster. The DWP used to say that a reciprocal arrangement was required but when challenged they agreed it was not, e.g. Canadian pensioners in the UK do get annual uprating.
Canada has requested the UK to make a reciprocal agreement to cover pension uprating (even though it's not necessary) multiple times but the UK has said not interested so it's not Canada's fault (for a change!). It's just about the political will in the UK, now that we have votes for life we should have more clout but people need to reister as overseas voters. See www.britishpensions.com

Kingsboy48 Nov 22nd 2024 6:01 am

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A calamitous situation was created two years ago when thousands of ‘Proof of Life’ forms mailed (or not?) to Canada by the Department for Work and Pensions went mysteriously missing, leading to pensioners, many of them members of Canadain Alliance of British pensioners, finding their frozen pensions suddenly and without warning stopping. Since then, CABP was astonished to discover that this could never have happened to our fellow pensioners in Australia. British pensioners in Australia have never even heard of ‘Proof of Life’ forms. A Freedom of Information request to the UK government has revealed that the UK has an arrangement with Australia and a few other countries to be informed when anyone in receipt of a British state pension dies, so there is absolutely no need for these forms to be issued and returned. CABP has asked British High Commissioner Susannah Goshko to take steps towards having this arrangement enacted with Canada as well. She has assured us that her government is working on a solution. Watch this space!

BristolUK Nov 22nd 2024 7:42 am

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Originally Posted by Kingsboy48 (Post 13286985)
A calamitous situation was created two years ago when thousands of ‘Proof of Life’ forms mailed (or not?) to Canada by the Department for Work and Pensions went mysteriously missing, leading to pensioners, many of them members of Canadain Alliance of British pensioners, finding their frozen pensions suddenly and without warning stopping. Since then, CABP was astonished to discover that this could never have happened to our fellow pensioners in Australia. British pensioners in Australia have never even heard of ‘Proof of Life’ forms. A Freedom of Information request to the UK government has revealed that the UK has an arrangement with Australia and a few other countries to be informed when anyone in receipt of a British state pension dies, so there is absolutely no need for these forms to be issued and returned. CABP has asked British High Commissioner Susannah Goshko to take steps towards having this arrangement enacted with Canada as well. She has assured us that her government is working on a solution. Watch this space!

This presupposes
  • that the foreign organisation can identify a UK state pension as distinct from a different UK pension (there is more than one DWP in the world ;))
  • That they have enough information to correctly identify the dead person so the right one is actioned (Dear DWP, Our bank customer Alan Jones of Australia has died :lol:)
  • That there even is a foreign organisation receiving it because some people have it paid to a UK account and then transfer it to their foreign account where it merely shows as a deposit.
  • That the foreign organisation gets to know of the person's death - because if you want to carry on getting a dead person's pension you won't be telling anyone that might result in it stopping will you :sneaky:

BristolUK Dec 9th 2024 3:35 am

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 
I sent mine on October 21.
My gopher took it to the PO with instructions to have it registered for tracking advantages but he forgot that bit so it went ordinary mail.

I had seen others say they got texts conforming receipt and as I don't have that capability I asked for email confirmation.
Which I didn't get. I wondered if there was some automated procedure to send the text that would be unable to recognise non-receipt in the same way a fax machine indicates the fax didn't work so they'd never now. :unsure:

Anyway I used the email function on the website mentioned earlier - I have previously used it for other matters - to ask if all was in order. After two goes they eventually confirmed it was all finished on Nov 4, so done within 2 weeks, and apologised for not having emailed as requested on the form.

Pulaski Dec 9th 2024 1:02 pm

Re: HMRC "Proof of life" certificate,
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13286991)
This presupposes
  • that the foreign organisation can identify a UK state pension as distinct from a different UK pension (there is more than one DWP in the world ;))
  • That they have enough information to correctly identify the dead person so the right one is actioned (Dear DWP, Our bank customer Alan Jones of Australia has died :lol:)
  • That there even is a foreign organisation receiving it because some people have it paid to a UK account and then transfer it to their foreign account where it merely shows as a deposit.
  • That the foreign organisation gets to know of the person's death - because if you want to carry on getting a dead person's pension you won't be telling anyone that might result in it stopping will you :sneaky:

I suspect that you have this process backwards, that it's not a process dependent on Australia identifying British citizens receiving a UK pension, but that it's the British government who has sent a list of names and DOBs of British citizens receiving a British state pension, and asked the Australian government to let the British DWP know when anyone on the pops their clogs.

BristolUK Dec 10th 2024 3:27 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 13289633)
I suspect that you have this process backwards, that it's not a process dependent on Australia identifying British citizens receiving a UK pension, but that it's the British government who has sent a list of names and DOBs of British citizens receiving a British state pension, and asked the Australian government to let the British DWP know when anyone on the pops their clogs.

That's possible of course but recently the DWP couldn't identify me with my full name, date of birth, living in Canada, receiving a pension and having received one of these forms. :lol:


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