dbd33

And anyway, it's not a mosque.

dbd33

I suggest that the idea of the Muslims as a nation hostile to the US doesn't hold because:

- there's no Muslim nation

- some Muslims are Americans

And, yes, I have a nice arse, thank you for noticing.

iaink

I dont think anyone is arguing they have no right to do it, but just because one has the right to do something doesnt mean its necessarily the best thing to do under the circumstances.

Oakvillian

Why not, even if that was what is proposed (instead of a cultural centre over 200m away)

Aside from the false comparison between the Holocaust or the atomic bomb and the 11 September attack, and ignoring for a moment the differences in time-frame, I'd have thought a German cultural centre at Auschwitz or an American cultural centre in Hiroshima would go a long way to dispelling ill-informed myths and engaging in constructive dialogue. Knee-jerk anti-Muslim sentiment helps nobody except those who seek to drive a wedge between Islam and Western society.

Again, not a sensible comparison. Nobody's suggesting that a statue of Osama bin Laden be erected at the WTC site. The comparison I think you need in this context would be an Anglican church in Wexford - not unlike St Iberius, a Church of Ireland (Anglican) establishment in the middle of Wexford. http://www.discoverireland.ie/Search...stItemID=78136

fowler71

It's the principle and i beg to differ on Muslim Nation, how about Saudi Arabia.

dbd33

The Muslims of the world do not form a nation, such as Germany or the US. What's the principle?

iaink

"Tit for tat"... no churches in Saudi Arabia, so no saudi funded mosques in New York?


or perhaps "Not in my back yard" best describes it... a traditional british concept I think.


List of muslim nations for you here by the way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rity_countries

dbd33

Falsely equates Islam and Saudi Arabia. Falsely assumes churches to be symbols of the US.

I'm unable to see how the NIMBY idea applies in this case.

dbd33

Yes, there are nations that incorporate Islamic principles into their governance but the Muslim people of the world are not one nation, so comparing Muslimdom to, say, Germany makes no sense.

Tangram

Wow this is still going on. I refer again to post #38 and stand by it.

DaveLovesDee

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy. Islam is the official religion. Muslim is a cultural distinction.

iaink

Who said it was anything to do with nation states as opposed to religous majorities? In what way is Saudi Arabia not equatable with Islam anyway, its a "100% muslim islamic state"

Article one of the constitution of Saudi Arabia is You cant see that the majority of the population of new york is non muslim and might not welcome a muslim center close to the site of a (deranged lunatic) muslim (fringe) terrorist attack?

dbd33

It ended with "nuff said", wouldn't standing by it mean posting nothing?

iaink

I am clearly under-caffeinated as this point seems irrelevant. The christian people of the world are not one nation either?

And yet somehow there has been nations in conflict on and off, muslim vs christian, for the better part of a thousand years or more, regardless of how you want to label the sides.

The US coalition is not intended to be seen as a Christian force, its non denominational, with people of all faiths present I guess, but as the majority religion in the US is Christianity its easy to see how its seen that way from outside.

I would say you could equally argue that the Taliban and Al-Qa'ida are such a loony fringe of Islam that in general they are no more representative of Islam as the coalition forces are of Christianity.

dbd33

It's implied here:

"Your a bit of a smart ass hardly worthy of a reply but for the other folks, my Rationale is that Muslims should not be allowed to have a place of worship close to ground zero no more then if the Germans built their Plish embassy beside Auschwitz, Americans setting up in Hiroshima or the erecting of Cromwells statue in Wexford."

Muslims are equated to Germans and the Plish.


Yes, but not all Muslims are Saudis.


Of course, it's a Jewish town.

They might not welcome Donald Trump either but, if he can get funding, he can build his monstrosities, that's just the way of the planning process. A non-mosque isn't likely to run foul of any planning regulations and, since the non-mosque isn't even at the location over which there is such drama, I can see no reason why it shouldn't go about its business unfussed over.