Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11817643)

Agree that meat is pricey here (especially compared to Bristol's last post)..

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11817595)

There are exceptions of course but I feel almost exempt from these increases. Perhaps I'm really a millionaire. :lol:

I can still buy joints of beef for as little as $3.99 lb. Bought one two days ago in Sobeys. Not a best before date approaching, just a flyer price. Even Prime Premium was down to $6.88 and my step daughter came back with two of those the other day.

The xmas Butterball Turkey "normally" well over $2 lb is now $1.49 several times a year whereas in 2005 it was $1.29 several times a year.

But even the Walmart ones around 99c cook really well if you're careful.

Pepsi can be had most weeks for the same $1-$1.25 for 2l as back in 2005. My whisky is about $36 instead of $33.

Eggs at Shoppers are still (mostly) $1.99 just as when we moved. Butter can still be had for the same price there.

So many things are available for the same reduced prices as years ago.

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11819292)

I went to buy a turkey today, couldn't buy one last week when Walmarts / other stores had tons because my freezer isn't big enough to fit one in. Imagine my shock today when I went to Walmart to find they are completely sold out - and have been for a couple of days. The assistant I talked to said the same thing happened at Thanksgiving, when they ran out 6 days beforehand.

Grumble, grumble, now I am going to have to go to Fortino's or Metro and buy a frikkin more expensive one (I just resent having to pay more because half of it will probably never get eaten, sigh).

Not a happy bunny.

:(

Edited to add, I found this nifty website today - you can put the food item you want to buy in the search and it tells you how much each store has it on for. Very handy! By clicking on the 'store' dropdown, you can also see all the items they have. https://www.salewhale.ca/en/search/s...sults?q=turkey

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11819292)

I went to buy a turkey today...Imagine my shock today when I went to Walmart to find they are completely sold out

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11835832)

Have been looking at the online operators and the likely hood of Instacart starting later this year.
They all appear to push the grocery pricing up around 28% because of delivery charges and additional product markups.
Would free delivery, faster or more convenient delivery and better pricing be well received in Canada?

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11835832)

Have been looking at the online operators and the likely hood of Instacart starting later this year.
They all appear to push the grocery pricing up around 28% because of delivery charges and additional product markups.
Would free delivery, faster or more convenient delivery and better pricing be well received in Canada?

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11835832)

Have been looking at the online operators and the likely hood of Instacart starting later this year.
They all appear to push the grocery pricing up around 28% because of delivery charges and additional product markups.
Would free delivery, faster or more convenient delivery and better pricing be well received in Canada?

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 11836025)

There was an interesting interview with a guy at Guelph university. It was in French so I don't suppose it was aired on anglo TV.

He suggested that the average Canadian family would pay some $300 more for food this year. At the same time, he pointed out that the average family also throws away about $1500 of food in a year.

That's worth thinking about.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836069)

I hate throwing food out on principle. Sometimes its perished and has to go, but I usually push sell-by dates to the limit. I estimate we throw out no more than $10 worth of food per month.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836069)

I hate throwing food out on principle. Sometimes its perished and has to go, but I usually push sell-by dates to the limit. I estimate we throw out no more than $10 worth of food per month.

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11836091)

I've cut back on how much of something I make. More and more leftovers were not being eaten so I no longer cook as much. Of course that's not right either when there are complaints there's "none for tomorrow's lunch" but it's better than wasting. :nod:

What particularly annoys me is when someone consumes, say, milk at a faster rate than is normal for the household then complains "we need milk"...so I buy a 4l bag instead of a 2l carton and then they barely touch it. Then complain it's off when they do want some later. :frown:

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 11835839)

Outside of densely populated areas, how would that be an affordable business model?.

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 11835839)

I pay as much as a 60% premium on some items to get groceries delivered by a multinational national company to my restaurant.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836069)

I hate throwing food out on principle. Sometimes its perished and has to go, but I usually push sell-by dates to the limit. I estimate we throw out no more than $10 worth of food per month.

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836324)

Its all those buy one get one free offers that causes a lot of unnecessary glutton and waste.
Smaller fridge freezers with just in time ordering (for groceries) should reduce this wastage

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836327)

Absolutely right. I am in the UK so no problem with the small freezer or JIT purchasing, but the BOGOF offers drive me mad. I think they should be banned (in favour of a non volume 50% discount).

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836330)

Appears to me that supermarkets discount products we don't want or really need. For example $1 per litre soft drink (maybe different in Canada to NZ).
We then hear about all these rebate charges back to producers/suppliers for shelf space. That's just cost added into a supply chain that does not need it. Therefore increasing cost to consumer and reducing return to producer/supplier which eventually adds further cost and no reinvestment in their respective processes.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836336)

I find many of the offers are for items I do want, but simply do not need the quantity offered. Even produce is being oversold, for example packs of peppers containing 2-3 when you only need one. And some supermarkets are even doing 'buy three for the price of two'.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 11836383)

So why not just buy the number you need, you don't have to buy three, if you only want two?

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 11836383)

So why not just buy the number you need, you don't have to buy three, if you only want two?

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836411)

I tend to do just that. But I am a bit OCD about optimal pricing so it usually sticks in my gullet when I know that I am paying artificially high prices.

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836321)

Well my point is the new online grocery models don't make sense. They appear (and point me out if I am wrong here) to just add a service on top of existing bricks and mortar supermarkets, which is just adding cost.
When you look at greenfield supply chain solution urban and rural areas can be serviced with reasonably the same cost basis.
I get back off the ground after hearing that. Can I ask on what base line the 60% is on? Surely not retail price in supermarkets? Is this linked to above about less dense area? But 60% charge seems a rort ??or are you ordering in each's

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 11836469)

Urban and rural areas here are on a completely different scale of distribution here though. I'm 50 minutes drive from a grocery store. The depot the distributes produce for my business is Vancouver, 4 hours away. The rural population here (c250 permanent, which swells to 5,000+ during holiday seasons) isn't big enough to support a reasonably priced distribution model. It's not untypical of Canada generally outside of urban centres. I can buy 4l of milk at $4.50ish retail in a grocery store. Delivered it costs me a fraction under $10. I buy as much as 240l per week - what I spend in time and gas driving to Kamloops, I more than save on delivery costs. That's one example of 50+ items I regularly order.

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836498)

Thanks RICH you have got me thinking
How far is it in drive time from one end of population to the other (just in terms of a diameter line
How far to the next small rural town? The business model would make sense if people could pre order 24 hours in advance.
Would people travel the radius of town (per above drive time on diameter) to collect at a given time their weekly or daily shop if it was same instore price as city and no delivery charge?

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 11836559)

Kamloops east to west takes 30 minutes drive time. North to south maybe a little more as it isn't served by a highway for a large proportion. There are small populations of a thousand or so in each direction 20 minutes from town. None have grocery stores. The next large urban areas are an hour and a quarter south or 50 minutes east. People commute to Kamloops and pick up groceries while there. What additional convenience are you offering? I'm not sure I understand your proposition. How will you buy at a price point that provides enough profit to offer free delivery? The volume you'd have to purchase would mean you'd need storage and a huge refrigerated truck. I purchase >$5,000 per week and you can see how expensive delivery charges are even at that volume.

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836578)

If a large truck could travel on a straight line through and park up at a central spot in each rural township being serviced. Full automated container could retrieve relevant customers order (tote boxes) and then move on to next location.
The business cost offset is retail space versus truck running costs. For example it would require the people in town to be prepared to order today for items to be delivered tomorrow and to be at a certain point in town I think a truck can service around 2,000 customers so say 100 customers (households) per small town would mean 20 stops?
I need to get myself familiar with Canada Map but I don't see why it would be too much trouble to organize ????

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836578)

Vancouver to Calgary for example one way, then Calgary to Vancouver the next day? about 1000km?

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836324)

Its all those buy one get one free offers that causes a lot of unnecessary glutton and waste.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 11836418)

OK. Buy what the offer promotes and give the excess to a food bank or a homeless person.

We all know that this is exactly what I do :p

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11836336)

I find many of the offers are for items I do want, but simply do not need the quantity offered. Even produce is being oversold, for example packs of peppers containing 2-3 when you only need one. And some supermarkets are even doing 'buy three for the price of two'.

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11836680)

by the pound

Originally Posted by orly (Post 11836738)

Demand metric. It is your duty!

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11836782)

At check out they do it in metric and on the sign on the bottom is metric, the big sign is just in pounds...... Relevant article about groceries. Canada Grocery Prices Are Giving Shoppers Serious Sticker Shock

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11836578)

If a large truck could travel on a straight line through and park up at a central spot in each rural township being serviced. Full automated container could retrieve relevant customers order (tote boxes) and then move on to next location.The business cost offset is retail space versus truck running costs. For example it would require the people in town to be prepared to order today for items to be delivered tomorrow and to be at a certain point in town I think a truck can service around 2,000 customers so say 100 customers (households) per small town would mean 20 stops?I need to get myself familiar with Canada Map but I don't see why it would be too much trouble to organize ????
Vancouver to Calgary for example one way, then Calgary to Vancouver the next day? about 1000km?

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11836662)

Ah, without meaning to sound rude, there speaks someone with a luxury boat to be kept in the Bahamas. :nod:

For many others, the bogofs, twofers and other deals, help them put food on the table.


:thumbup: Good one.

Originally Posted by Parnell (Post 11835832)

Have been looking at the online operators and the likely hood of Instacart starting later this year.
They all appear to push the grocery pricing up around 28% because of delivery charges and additional product markups.
Would free delivery, faster or more convenient delivery and better pricing be well received in Canada?

Originally Posted by bc2015 (Post 11836812)

I don't see a market for online grocery shopping in Canada at all. Online shopping in general is not very big even for electronics etc...