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mkmurrays Jul 4th 2008 6:26 pm

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Before anyone bites my head off, I know there have been many threads on homesickness. But we've been here a year now, and although we've had our ups and downs, I don't think we've actually felt homesick. We've missed people, but not 'home'. Until tonight, that is.

We went to see Mark Knopfler (not everyone's taste, but plays a mean guitar, or dozen), tonight. My husband's family is from the North East via Cambridge, and it was good to hear a geordie accent on stage. He played some of the staple Dire Straits hits and the whole of Prospera Place was up and dancing.

The final encore was the theme to 'Local Hero', 'Going Home'. That did it for us. Not a dry Brit eye in the house. Not sure if it's homesickness, nostalgia, or merely the haunting guitar?

Coffeepot Jul 4th 2008 6:31 pm

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Originally Posted by mkmurrays (Post 6536382)
Before anyone bites my head off, I know there have been many threads on homesickness. But we've been here a year now, and although we've had our ups and downs, I don't think we've actually felt homesick. We've missed people, but not 'home'. Until tonight, that is.

We went to see Mark Knopfler (not everyone's taste, but plays a mean guitar, or dozen), tonight. My husband's family is from the North East via Cambridge, and it was good to hear a geordie accent on stage. He played some of the staple Dire Straits hits and the whole of Prospera Place was up and dancing.

The final encore was the theme to 'Local Hero', 'Going Home'. That did it for us. Not a dry Brit eye in the house. Not sure if it's homesickness, nostalgia, or merely the haunting guitar?

Aww Sharon i hope its not homesickness, I live in Cambs area but don't have an accent or rather i do but not from here, Brought up on the solent ?

Probably a bit of nostalgia, music does that to you :wub:

mkmurrays Jul 4th 2008 6:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Coffeepot (Post 6536388)
Aww Sharon i hope its not homesickness, I live in Cambs area but don't have an accent or rather i do but not from here, Brought up on the solent ?

Probably a bit of nostalgia, music does that to you :wub:

Reckon you're right. We were also talking about when we saw Dire Straits, and Mark Knopfler previously at the Hammersmith Odeon and The Symphony Hall in Birmingham...happy days.....'Romeo and Juliet', 'You're So Far Away', 'Brothers in Arms'....

Tonight was a great concert though, really good night out. I'll put the suitcases back in the basement....we won't be heading back to the Tyne just yet!

Judy in Calgary Jul 4th 2008 7:05 pm

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This always tugs at my heartstrings -- and I'm not even British! :eek:
x

LorraineG Jul 4th 2008 7:41 pm

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Wonderful link Judy.
I have always felt that this should be our National Anthem, much better than the dirge that we currently have.
Lorraine G

AmyDavid Jul 4th 2008 11:43 pm

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Originally Posted by mkmurrays (Post 6536397)
Reckon you're right. We were also talking about when we saw Dire Straits, and Mark Knopfler previously at the Hammersmith Odeon and The Symphony Hall in Birmingham...happy days.....'Romeo and Juliet', 'You're So Far Away', 'Brothers in Arms'....

Tonight was a great concert though, really good night out. I'll put the suitcases back in the basement....we won't be heading back to the Tyne just yet!

Music has the power to do that do you! Whisk you back to another time and make you feel all mushy...!!

Glad you had a great time - those tunes always remind me of my Dad and when I was lots younger! I didn't even know they were still around...!

If your suitcase is out....pop some stuff in and come have a holiday over here with me :)

mkmurrays Jul 5th 2008 2:20 am

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Originally Posted by AmyDavid (Post 6536959)
Music has the power to do that do you! Whisk you back to another time and make you feel all mushy...!!

Glad you had a great time - those tunes always remind me of my Dad and when I was lots younger! I didn't even know they were still around...!

If your suitcase is out....pop some stuff in and come have a holiday over here with me :)

Thanks, Amy. Might take you up on the NS offer sometime.

Mark Knopfler went solo and has been in a different band/s for, ooh, must be almost 20 years? He's a musician rather than a celebrity, which is refreshing, and you rarely read anything about him in the press. If he roamed around Kelowna he'd pass for your average guy in the street. I read the reviews of his Vancouver gig and that made similar comments. No posturing, no strutting, just fantastic, often haunting music. I loved it, which was a bonus as I bought the tickets as a present for my OH!

This is the "Local Hero" theme, an instrumental called, "Going Home".....beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh2WNXBOVNQ

It's Jenny's 13th birthday on Monday and we have her party with a mob of girls here today...best get on.:eek:

Steve_P Jul 5th 2008 3:58 am

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Originally Posted by mkmurrays (Post 6536382)

We went to see Mark Knopfler (not everyone's taste, but plays a mean guitar, or dozen), tonight.

Awesome guitarist. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

He's one of my favourites, especially when he plays a piece like "Going Home" or one of my favourites "The Long Road" I love the piece but it always evokes a feeling of melancholy when I listen to it. :thumbup:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qx_QeO...eature=related

Lozza2302 Jul 5th 2008 4:14 am

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I know what you all mean, only been here 8 months, i am London born originally but brought up near good ole Pompey! My OH's brother is in Southern Ireland and i love it there, was ok here till i saw "P.S I Love You", the bits set in Ireland just brought tears to me wee eyes. How i long for a good glass of Murphys, a bag of tatoes, and a good ole sing song!!!!!!!!:D

Tanah Jul 5th 2008 4:58 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 6536419)
This always tugs at my heartstrings -- and I'm not even British! :eek:
x

Have to say I'm still here in the UK but this brought a tear to my eye - Not because I miss England as such, but because the England that was, the Land of Hope and Glory - the Country in which I was immensly proud - is NOT that country anymore.
The beautiful pictures that accompany the piece just represent Great Britain to me - peace, beautiful countryside, heritage, history, British pride etc. All I could visualise over the top was Overcrowdedness, violence, hoodies, stabbings, gangs, fear and recession - THATS what brought a tear to MY eye

Edna Bucket Jul 5th 2008 8:46 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 6536419)
This always tugs at my heartstrings -- and I'm not even British! :eek:
x

Absolutely agree, we used to have to sing it at school. Jerusalem also has the same effect.

JLT Jul 5th 2008 9:20 am

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Originally Posted by Tanah (Post 6537682)
Have to say I'm still here in the UK but this brought a tear to my eye - Not because I miss England as such, but because the England that was, the Land of Hope and Glory - the Country in which I was immensly proud - is NOT that country anymore.
The beautiful pictures that accompany the piece just represent Great Britain to me - peace, beautiful countryside, heritage, history, British pride etc. All I could visualise over the top was Overcrowdedness, violence, hoodies, stabbings, gangs, fear and recession - THATS what brought a tear to MY eye

I'll second that. Still over in the UK from last August with my daughter of 17. Cannot believe the transformation of my country into what??!! Refused to acknowledge any of it at first because of my love for my home town of Sutton Coldfield but boy is it changing weekly and not for the better. I pray things will do a turnaround for all our friends here before I head back to Toronto. Britain will always be my pride but the Britain I remember before leaving for Toronto in 96. Tears in my eyes too, what is going on!!:confused:

MikeUK Jul 7th 2008 9:52 am

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Originally Posted by Tanah (Post 6537682)
Have to say I'm still here in the UK but this brought a tear to my eye - Not because I miss England as such, but because the England that was, the Land of Hope and Glory - the Country in which I was immensly proud - is NOT that country anymore.
The beautiful pictures that accompany the piece just represent Great Britain to me - peace, beautiful countryside, heritage, history, British pride etc. All I could visualise over the top was Overcrowdedness, violence, hoodies, stabbings, gangs, fear and recession - THATS what brought a tear to MY eye

I still love my country and have just come back from 3 weeks in Nottinghamshire

But those yob’s and hoodies and gangs and all the pub violence was around when I was a boy, the country really hasn't change much at all when you take the tinted spec’s off
We've just got older, young peoples fashion sense is just as bad and ugly as my old pictures would show it to be in the 80’s and all that really changed is our perception of the world we look at, now we sound like my parents used to when I was a boy.. and when talking to them how their parents sounded when they were young

Every generation seems to remember the good old days (that the history books show just weren’t that good) and each seems to think the new and up and coming generation are such a mess and the world is going to the dogs

It hit home when I was walking through the Arboretum in Nottingham looking at the students and thinking ‘my god is this the future of my country’ and then realising that 27 years ago that I was one of those hanging out on the grass with bad fashion sense probably having spent lunch in the pub… and that maybe some one else had walked by after a session of reading the paper and though exactly the same thing…..

I knew then which pubs were safe and which not, Friday night fight night existed back in the 80’s and 60’s and even the 40’s as much as it does now

(mini rant in defence of the youth of today)

Lorna_D Jul 7th 2008 10:57 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 6536419)
This always tugs at my heartstrings -- and I'm not even British! :eek:
x

Thanks for this link Judy. Katherine Jenkins is a good Welsh girl :thumbup: I saw her perform at a charity concert a few years ago. I only went to take my mother and aunt but came away a convert.

Biiiiink Jul 7th 2008 11:22 am

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I agree Mike. Boozing to excess in the UK isn't exactly new, is it? What do think of when you picture 18th century London - Hogarth's "Gin Lane", binge drinking, fighting, murders, riots...

dbd33 Jul 7th 2008 12:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Biiiiink (Post 6546146)
I agree Mike. Boozing to excess in the UK isn't exactly new, is it? What do think of when you picture 18th century London - Hogarth's "Gin Lane", binge drinking, fighting, murders, riots...

cock fighting, bear baiting, prostitution, opium rings.

Purley Jul 7th 2008 2:02 pm

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You know what Judy? Some twit tried to get I Vow to Thee My Country banned - I think it was supposed to be racist or something. It was Princess Diana's favourite and it was around the time she died I think that this came up. You can probably Google it if you want to. I can't be bothered because its such total tripe.

Oh yes, I would pay big money to see Dire Straits and/or Mark Knopfler.

dingbat Jul 7th 2008 2:06 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6546361)
cock fighting, bear baiting, prostitution, opium rings.

Vancouver? Last year?

<edit>
I must read the whole thread.
I must read the whole thread.
I must read the whole thread.
;)

Lorna_D Jul 7th 2008 4:25 pm

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Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6546477)
Vancouver? Last year?

<edit>
I must read the whole thread.
I must read the whole thread.
I must read the whole thread.
;)

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Butch Cassidy Jul 7th 2008 6:58 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6546361)
cock fighting, bear baiting, prostitution, opium rings.

Calgary during stampede?

tinytears Jul 7th 2008 10:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Tanah (Post 6537682)
Have to say I'm still here in the UK but this brought a tear to my eye - Not because I miss England as such, but because the England that was, the Land of Hope and Glory - the Country in which I was immensly proud - is NOT that country anymore.
The beautiful pictures that accompany the piece just represent Great Britain to me - peace, beautiful countryside, heritage, history, British pride etc. All I could visualise over the top was Overcrowdedness, violence, hoodies, stabbings, gangs, fear and recession - THATS what brought a tear to MY eye

Absolutely agree with this.

JLT Jul 7th 2008 10:45 pm

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Originally Posted by heidi_K (Post 6547369)
Absolutely agree with this.

I have to second that.
To those who just come over for a holiday couple of weeks or so do not get to see the real thing as to what is really happening over here, especially when you are told by a variety of people both in business and personal "Why on earth are you thinking of coming back here to live, are you crazy" I got very defensive on my homeland England on how could you say this but now I am can understand why. I have been over here since last August with my daughter and cannot return back for a while to Toronto. I get sick to my stomach with everything that is happening daily and locally to my beautiful country, and why I keep asking myself? Although living in the GTA I am used to crime happening but not to watching where I go on my own for a walk at night or day and here being told you are not going there on your own are you! I am used to leaving my doors open, bikes outside on the lawn, going to pubs with chairs permanently left outside not taken in each night just in case they would be gone the next morning. As I have said before I pray that things change and quickly but alas I cannot see that happening. Maybe for some look at statistics of stabings etc not through vacation sunglasses as I did when I first returned back , these things are real here sadly, I see things happening in Toronto also but nothing like this. So many of our friends are desperate to leave or trying to find a little haven away from it all wherever. Oh I miss my wonderful, sarcastic, witty dry humoured kind people of the UK but hey hopefully more of them will be moving over to Canada and I will not have to cross the pond any more for a fix. I know I will maybe getting peoples back up on this topic but please again this is just my opinion. O my Land of Hope and Glory. When it comes down to it we just have to make a choice as to what is most important to us in life and how we wish to live it.:(

dbd33 Jul 7th 2008 11:45 pm

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Originally Posted by JLT (Post 6547512)
going to pubs with chairs permanently left outside not taken in each night just in case they would be gone the next morning.

In Toronto they don't bring the chairs in because they're either chained together or bolted to the sidewalk.

ireland2canada Jul 8th 2008 12:06 am

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Originally Posted by JLT (Post 6547512)
going to pubs with chairs permanently left outside not taken in each night just in case they would be gone the next morning.


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6547814)
In Toronto they don't bring the chairs in because they're either chained together or bolted to the sidewalk.

I feel more comfortable going to bars where the tables & chairs are bolted to the floor (inside might I add). It stops people from throwing them at each other.
god only knows what would happen if they were left outside.

dbd33 Jul 8th 2008 12:16 am

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Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 6547910)
I feel more comfortable going to bars where the tables & chairs are bolted to the floor (inside might I add). It stops people from throwing them at each other.
god only knows what would happen if they were left outside.

It's not common for Toronto bars to have the chairs bolted down inside, the only places that immediately spring to mind are The Duke, the Crossroads and the Canada Tavern. (Also the nameless bar on the south side of Dundas by Jarvis). McVeigh's has them fixed together with a wire thing, like bicycles for sale on the pavement and The Stables has chains and handcuffs attached to them in a sort of non-functional sado motif.

When I lived on the Esplanade (a big street for bars) all the patios had the chairs and tables chained together and they took the umbrellas in at night. Nonetheless, one night, someone stole two picnic tables and about 30' of patio fencing. When we lived in the Beach someone stole two battered chairs and a bag of stinky hockey stuff off the front porch.

Toronto's not a wild place but it's not some paradise where you can leave half decent furniture laying around outside.

clynnog Jul 8th 2008 12:59 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6547941)
It's not common for Toronto bars to have the chairs bolted down inside, the only places that immediately spring to mind are The Duke, the Crossroads and the Canada Tavern. McVeigh's has them fixed together with a wire thing, like bicycles for sale on the pavement and The Stables has chains and handcuffs attached to them in a sort of non-functional sado motif.


My stag night started at McVeigh's....great place.

Is the Canada Tavern still around? (I haven't lived in YYZ since 1994)....that place was like stepping back into a time warp......I would have thought by now it would have been knocked down for condos etc.

This 'Stables' place wouldn't happen to be on Church Street would it?

dbd33 Jul 8th 2008 1:08 am

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Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 6548083)
Is the Canada Tavern still around?

Closed within the past year. The sign's still there but the bar's closed. Now I think though the place next to the pool opposite the Welfare Mall has the chairs fixed down on Karaoke night. Maybe it's The Maple Leaf. The Chinese run place at Greenwood and Gerrard has some fixed chairs and so did the Paradise Cafe on Queen east of Sherbourne. Indoor fixed chairs are in all the best places.


Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 6548083)
(I haven't lived in YYZ since 1994)....that place was like stepping back into a time warp......I would have thought by now it would have been knocked down for condos etc.

There are still a surprising number of bars like that, places where you order a tray of four ounce glasses instead of pints. Places where the few women have more tattoes than teeth. Lots of them along the ungentrified bits of the Danforth. I suppose the Brunswick House was a sort of upmarket studenty version.


Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 6548083)
This 'Stables' place wouldn't happen to be on Church Street would it?

Yes, it's the place with the large mural of the Marlboro cowboys, one feeling the other's butt.

ireland2canada Jul 8th 2008 1:48 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6547941)

When I lived on the Esplanade (a big street for bars) all the patios had the chairs and tables chained together and they took the umbrellas in at night. Nonetheless, one night, someone stole two picnic tables and about 30' of patio fencing. When we lived in the Beach someone stole two battered chairs and a bag of stinky hockey stuff off the front porch.

Christ, a veritable crime spree.
What about getting your drink in a plastic glass? Or do the bars trust their patrons with proper glassware? There's something to be said for drinking wine out of a plastic pint glass.

dbd33 Jul 8th 2008 1:59 am

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Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 6548235)
Christ, a veritable crime spree.
What about getting your drink in a plastic glass? Or do the bars trust their patrons with proper glassware? There's something to be said for drinking wine out of a plastic pint glass.


You can't leave the premises with a drink in Ontario so it's a bit different. In many places even to step from the bar to the, fenced, patio, you have to hand your drink to a staff member as, otherwise, you'll have stepped on a public sidewalk with a drink. Generally drinks are served in actual glasses though after my companion dropped one in the Duke she was served in plastic for the rest of the evening.

One thing that's a hint as to the nature of the bar is what people do with their glasses when they go out to smoke (even when smoking was allowed in bars people commonly went out for a toke) if it's any kind of a meat market they drain them so as to avoid the chance of a drink being spiked. If it's an average sort of neighbourhood place they leave them on the table, if it's a real regulars place the bartender tips the drink into a coffee cup so the patron can, gasp, have a drink and a smoke at the same time.

ireland2canada Jul 8th 2008 2:30 am

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Not sure I could ever bring myself to leave a drink unattended :eek: Just wouldn't happen.


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6548275)
the bartender tips the drink into a coffee cup so the patron can, gasp, have a drink and a smoke at the same time.

You've shattered my illusions of Canada now, the country has clearly gone to the dogs.

dbd33 Jul 8th 2008 2:40 am

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Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 6548379)
Not sure I could ever bring myself to leave a drink unattended :eek: Just wouldn't happen.



You've shattered my illusions of Canada now, the country has clearly gone to the dogs.

You don't think people actually drink Tim Horton's coffee do you?

ireland2canada Jul 8th 2008 3:12 am

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I naively assumed so.
As a right of passage I intend try it out. I may even walk down the street holding the cup.

The Welshman Jul 9th 2008 4:24 pm

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Hi mkmurrays,

We also went to see The Great One of the Guitars.
Out of this world, not bad for a 58 yr old.
Well done on the 1st year.

VCox Jul 9th 2008 7:01 pm

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Was tempted to go to the Mark Knopfler concert but saw Dire Straits in Manchester about 15 years ago and was v disappointed - I'm a big fan but live they just didn't connect with the audience on that occasion.

Glad you had a good time MK and hope the nostalgia has passed...

Re: I vow to thee my country, I loved this when I first heard it as a child at Di's wedding. I always found it very moving and since her funeral it has become even more poignant.

Jerusalem is one of my all time patriotic hymns and brings back some good memories. At school we had to march into assembly to Land & Hope of Glory and on my homesick days I YouTube it and have my 5 mins of nostalgia.

I do like it here but sometimes there are days when I miss the British outlook on life and sense of humour, history and culture. I've started watching Corrie again just because it reminds me of 'home' and makes me feel understood - for some reason here I have to say everything twice most times before they tune into my accent.

VCox Jul 9th 2008 7:43 pm

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Here's a link you might enjoy if you're feeling nostalgic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWY_P...eature=related


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