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Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 12222500)
Concerning the European parliament and Commission, are we not right to be suspicious of such large bureaucratic decision making structures?
The Sir Humphreys of the world will understand the dynamics that will, even to this day, be baffling and aggravating to the Merkels and Hollandes of europe. Imagine having 27 and a half Ministers, each competing for attention from a bunch of civil servants who, rumour has it, haven't done a real job in their lives and yet control the mechanism that is the EU. Who wouldn't want to wash their hands of a system designed to sieze up and be thoroughly corrupt. The reason Merkel and Hollande are so upset is that they're stuck with it, and the reason men like Junker are so upset is that they know full well that the house of cards is teetering under the weight of a gravy train they have done so much to enlarge. |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 12222500)
Concerning the European parliament and Commission, are we not right to be suspicious of such large bureaucratic decision making structures? Should we not be concerned about centralized planning and its effect on the capacity of individual inquisitiveness and creativity? Brexit challenges the totalizing pan-European meta-narrative. It’s a re-conceptualization of how we experience and explain our existence as a culture in the world. I assert the decision to leave the Union is a bold and couragous challenge by the British people, to the idea of concentrated power and it imagines a more open, localized definition of democracy and human agency.
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Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12222646)
We are.
The Sir Humphreys of the world will understand the dynamics that will, even to this day, be baffling and aggravating to the Merkels and Hollandes of europe. Imagine having 27 and a half Ministers, each competing for attention from a bunch of civil servants who, rumour has it, haven't done a real job in their lives and yet control the mechanism that is the EU. Who wouldn't want to wash their hands of a system designed to sieze up and be thoroughly corrupt. The reason Merkel and Hollande are so upset is that they're stuck with it, and the reason men like Junker are so upset is that they know full well that the house of cards is teetering under the weight of a gravy train they have done so much to enlarge. |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 12222500)
Concerning the European parliament and Commission, are we not right to be suspicious of such large bureaucratic decision making structures? Should we not be concerned about centralized planning and its effect on the capacity of individual inquisitiveness and creativity? Brexit challenges the totalizing pan-European meta-narrative. It’s a re-conceptualization of how we experience and explain our existence as a culture in the world. I assert the decision to leave the Union is a bold and couragous challenge by the British people, to the idea of concentrated power and it imagines a more open, localized definition of democracy and human agency.
Yes it imagines (fantasy). Creativity is in abundance. We saw examples of the Leave Campaign's creativeness on the back of the campaign bus. |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12223185)
Let me guess, UKIP?
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Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12223193)
Nope, simply the dictates of common sense.
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Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12223195)
No such thing.
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Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12223195)
No such thing.
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 12223237)
Never trust appeals to 'common sense', it's the bread and butter of authoritarians and their apologists.
Common Sense: Cambridge: the basic level of practical knowledge and judgment that we all need to help us live in a reasonable and safe way Collins: Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way Oxford: Good sense and sound judgement in practical matters. Websters: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12223252)
It appears that sadly a little education is required for some on this forum. The concept is apparently well understood and the lack of any mention of authoritarian or apologist is indeed a mystery. One can only surmise that a reluctance to appreciate the benefits of common sense goes a long way to explain some of the eccentric attitudes expressed by the referenced posters.
Common Sense: Cambridge: the basic level of practical knowledge and judgment that we all need to help us live in a reasonable and safe way Collins: Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way Oxford: Good sense and sound judgement in practical matters. Websters: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12223252)
It appears that sadly a little education is required for some on this forum. The concept is apparently well understood and the lack of any mention of authoritarian or apologist is indeed a mystery. One can only surmise that a reluctance to appreciate the benefits of common sense goes a long way to explain some of the eccentric attitudes expressed by the referenced posters.
Common Sense: Cambridge: the basic level of practical knowledge and judgment that we all need to help us live in a reasonable and safe way Collins: Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way Oxford: Good sense and sound judgement in practical matters. Websters: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts But I think you display common sense in the vernacular of the 1950's |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12222646)
...wash their hands...the house of cards...teetering under the weight...gravy train...
"...I have always avoided clichés like the plague. A cliché to me is like a red rag to a bull." |
Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 12222500)
Concerning the European parliament and Commission, are we not right to be suspicious of such large bureaucratic decision making structures? Should we not be concerned about centralized planning and its effect on the capacity of individual inquisitiveness and creativity? Brexit challenges the totalizing pan-European meta-narrative. It’s a re-conceptualization of how we experience and explain our existence as a culture in the world. I assert the decision to leave the Union is a bold and couragous challenge by the British people, to the idea of concentrated power and it imagines a more open, localized definition of democracy and human agency.
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Re: Gibraltar
Of course he doesn't because it doesn't mean much (as I'm sure he knows!). If someone wrote that in an essay I was marking, I would be writing "source?" & "What is your evidence?" all over it!
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Re: Gibraltar
Originally Posted by Snowy560
(Post 12226039)
Of course he doesn't because it doesn't mean much (as I'm sure he knows!). If someone wrote that in an essay I was marking, I would be writing "source?" & "What is your evidence?" all over it!
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Re: Gibraltar
I know ... I'm having a boring rainy day :eek: Oink can handle it!
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