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Really?

Have you even been blathered to the point the next day not remembering what happened the night before or who you were with?

Gender neutral equality for sure & no hidden agenda there eh!

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My children, now grown up and some of them having children of their own, were, at the appropriate age, in mixed gender scout troops in Canada. I know it's a blessing that hardly anything happens in Canada so they fill the news with nonsense but sometimes it's frustrating.

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On the scouts, maybe I got the context wrong

If there are mixed gender scout clubs (boys & girls all together sharing & doing all activities), can boys join the 'girl guides' in Canada or any country?

If not, why not?

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Oh yes lots of times! lol! Seems to be more common these now im getting older! But never on a date!

Incidentally everytime ive been in a relationship ive drank a lot less....the female of the speices has a good influence on me! :thumbsup:

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Troublemaker! A casual browsing of Google tells me that The Girl Guides (in England and Canada, at least) do not allow boys. Even as observers... Er, yes, well... Apparently gender equality is a strictly one-way street, when it suits some of our communities' social-justice warriors. The shame of it!

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Hmm...I really dont understand why the scouts became open to both genders anyway? why? isnt that what why the Girl Guides was introduced? I must be missing something. :confused:

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Boy Scouts open membership to transgender boys - CNN.com
Here is a late update on the issue of who may and may not join the US Scouts. Be warned, though: this is from a notorious "fake news" source, so it may be a falsehood...

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Ah so now you mention that it was a quiet intimate restaurant giving a little more context. It would have been awkward but not a moment to judge a person's worth on.

Everything you say tells me that you judge men and women differently.

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Way back in the dim and distant past, my younger brother wanted to join the Scouts but he wasn't old enough. "Why not join the Brownies?" I teased.
"Can't. I'm not old enough for them either." :lol:

I'd be wary of someone wanting to observe girls in uniform.

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You bring the olives.

I like a dirty martini, very dry.

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If that means i judge them on the way they behave in certain environments/scenarios then yes i do. Is that a bad thing? just the way i was brought up. I suppose my parents were pretty strict, and i certainly don't resent them for that.

Inicidentally its not just women, if a guy behaved like that in that setting id think the same. There is a time and a place for everything. Dont get me wrong, Ive certainly had my moments!! but there are limits in how a person behaves in certain environments/scenarios.

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no I'm not

This is suppose to be an all gender equality thread discussion

I've met several 'shiela' in OZ that could out drink many a man, so what's wrong with that :nod:

Observing .....

Is it likely that 'male or female' (one sided more than the other) may frequently use the 'one way street' gender equality to cry wolf when its to their adavantage, to suit their benefit or related to their personal situation?.

I really don't know, could it just be me or a just a 'fly on the wall' comment?

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Why shouldn't a private club choose whom it wishes to be a member ?

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I'm having one.

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The daughter of someone I know has gained a place in Brownies. This is apparently a cause for celebration, as it's not easily done. Something like getting a place at Oxbridge.

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to the tune of this thread 'gender equality'

The real reasons gentlemen don't want women to join their men-only clubs - Telegraph

if you are strictly on about 'private clubs' that require members to sponsor or propose new members, that someone must be of a certain fraternity (masons, Alpha Delta Phi, Alpha Sigma Phi ), by ethnic origin, education, his 'Lordship or Ladyship clubs', the fact that a Gentlemens club is no more than a 'strip club' or that 'men only clubs' are just what the title says 'men only', same goes for the 'women only clubs'.... thus, the endless discussion on gender nutrality

The Ladies' Golf Club of Toronto has a timeless, Augusta-like feel, but with a looser vibe and roles reversed | GOLF.com

http://www.movefitnessclub.com/

Why shouldn't blokes be allowed men-only clubs? | Express Comment | Comment | Express.co.uk

Its archaic, sexist & outdated IMO

No different to why females do not play on mens professional sports teams & vice versa, or that men & women dont participate against each other in any 'sport', MMA, Boxing... the list goes on

Restricting anything to 'male only' or 'female only' to serve each its 'own' purpose continue to be allowed?



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I guess we all judge but should we? Shouldn't we be more accepting of others ways? I have a very posh friend who thinks it's very middle class to worry about what people think and to judge people on that. But then he is judging them for being middle class...

Btw, why did you go to a refined place with the loud sweary drunk? I don't think I've been in anywhere like that in Peterborough. Not that I get out much.

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Calling you a troublemaker was just joking, n2o! You should have known that. "Troublemaker" is actually a compliment, in my world.

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'whoosh', it went right over my head;)

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Maybe it's because those golf clubs are more about networking and business deals than playing golf?

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I know there are several other replies to this, but I think it's worth rehearsing the same old, tired, arguments about Scouts once more.

There are significant differences between the Scouts organization in the USA and Scouts organizations practically everywhere else in the world. Some of these differences, no doubt, are due to the Boy Scouts of America having been colonised by the religious right-wing several years ago. Far from the inclusiveness and welcoming mantra that pervades Scouting in the rest of the world, the US organization has been very slow to include girls, LGBT youth, and now transgender youth. They still don't admit girls, but have been forced by a court ruling to change their policy so as to allow transgender boys to become members. And it was a very grudging decision a couple of years ago (which actually led to a breakaway of a more intolerant group of Southern Baptists) to allow gay youth to join.

Boy Scouts of America, in contrast to the Scouts organizations in most other countries including Canada, the UK and Australia, is exclusively open to boys in the youth programmes (although women may become adult volunteers). It is also not open to "agnostic or atheist" members, again unlike the organization elsewhere in the world, where the references to "God" in the Law and Promise have been much more liberally interpreted for the last 20 years or so.

I am a volunteer with Scouts Canada, and my children have been or are youth members of the organization. If I lived in the USA, I do not think I would be so keen to be associated with a movement that promulgated such out-of-date and, frankly, bigoted world-views amongst its youth membership.

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If women want to be considered serious and deep thinkers like hipsters, they should grow beards.

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Oakvillian @ post #141

On that with everything that is going on in the US, it makes you wonder whether US Presidents are groomed to make sure that there is no room at the top for a female?

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Do you care that your 'pork sausage' might have the odd hair in them?

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Being in my 50s I'm working on it. The boyfriend calls me Tom - as in Selleck now I've got the post menopausal 'tasch.

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Plus, all the great explorers in history were men and they had beards. That's a pretty perfect correlation.

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Indeed

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Phwoar

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Ive never really thought whether i should or should not judge someones behaviour I just do, I suppose it comes down to basic manners, and respect for other people, you must agree that there have to be appropriate moral and behavioral codes in whatever environment or scenario we are in at that time? As i a child it was drummed into my sister and i in how we should behave in public, and i think they were right to do so.

As for the loud sweary drunk, these were two separate examples. One was just a pub...but when i arrived this girl was was already pretty hammered....i just though that was totally inapproriate behavior to meet someone on a first date! Even the bar tender (who I knew from being a local there) said to me ans i quote "run for the hills!"

The other date was someone who i was set up with, i met her very breifly and she seemed an intelligent nice girl, good job, well presented etc so i suggested we go to Elements its on George and King in Peterborough, id been there before and its a really nice restaurant. During dinner she was telling me a few stories and and every other word of f this f that, she didnt even try to hold it back, wasnt talking loudly but not exactly quietly, i had a few disapproving glances from an older couple and another middle aged couple, and understandably so. To be honest it was just plain embarassing, and not an enjoyable night at all.

So in summary, i dont see a problem in judging a person on their behavior, male or female, and certain behaviour as is just not acceptable.

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Both daughters did Brownies, first one loved it, second one hated it. Time came for first one to go to Guides, did one session and said never again. Got her into Scouts and she had a ball. Second one doesn't do organised anything if she can help it. Guides is no where near as fun as Scouts, can't imagine why a boy would want to join them.

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I was in the Boys Brigade for a short time.

Looking it up now, it all seems a bit Hitler Youth.

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Middle child was in BB before we came here. He enjoyed it, and they had good leaders. Switched to Scouts in Canada, which was also good, but no drills. He is still a MedVent, which is very well run by the York region paramedics.

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I blame the Scouts for interfering with my daughter's ideas of their station in life. One sailed all over the world, met a chap in the Detroit bus station, moved to Alaska with him, stayed up there a couple of years then missed getting educated so went to law school. The other one that was in the Scouts emigrated from Toronto to London then spent a year working in Africa, one in Iraq and is now back in Africa again, she learned Italian along the way as that's the language of her employer. But for all that gender equaled nonsense of camping in February and building bridges from poles and ropes they'd be quietly married in Oakville by now, free of all that gung ho spirit and they'd know what an iron is. Being in them gender neutered Scouts, it's a wonder they didn't end up as lesbyterians.

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I was in the Girls Brigade. I didn't mind the churchy bit as there were no dead men on crosses and the priests didn't wear dresses. The activity bit after church was fun, plenty of painting and craft work. Oh and I learned of the evils of alcohol.

I tried the Brownies just going once and hating it. I hid behind an upright piano while they danced round a toadstool singing silly songs. Really cringe making, stuff. My brother and his friends had much more fun in the Cubs.

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I was in the brownies, I cut a cake with Lady Baden Powell (wish I still had the press cutting).

My son was in Woodcraft Folk, equality ruled.

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Every one entitled to their own opinion which organization they wish to join, but courts interfering with a private organization membership policies is not right.

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I don't think private organizations should be allowed to have membership policies at odds with the law as it would apply to, for example, a pub. It is, for example, ridiculous to exclude women from games, such as golf and darts, that are not played using the penis.

I understand the desire to have women only swimming pools in order to accommodate superstitions about men and suggest that some arrangement of scheduled single-sex use would serve as well as a total gender based ban.

I can't see any case for allowing race based club membership restrictions though I personally would not rush to join, for example, the Ukrainian Club.

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Look at what you've written, carefully. "Every one entitled to their own opinion which organization they wish to join," you say. Exactly, I reply. How dare the Boy Scouts of America overrule that individual's opinion if they decide they want to join the organization? What kind of message is that sending to children? Not all of your friends are created equal... some are better than others and only the best sort can come and join us here?

I'm glad you agree with me on that - even if, as I suspect, you didn't mean to.

As for the courts' right to interfere in restrictive membership policies: that is exactly what the courts are there for; that is precisely their role if a club has membership restrictions that contravene laws.

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i got asked to leave the girl guides

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An eye opening thread