Food for thought for some older members on here
#32
Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
I believe it's meant to be condescending. Which reminds me. ...
Last week I was down by one of the prisons here and saw a midget inmate climbing down over the wall. I looked at him and he just sneered back at me. Well, I thought that's a little condescending!
Last week I was down by one of the prisons here and saw a midget inmate climbing down over the wall. I looked at him and he just sneered back at me. Well, I thought that's a little condescending!
#33
Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
When i first joined this site got some great info from some great people, however things seem to have gone downhill.
recently if i have disagreed with any of the older members of this site, it seems to turn into some sort of pissing match to prove newer members are wrong.
My experience of this:
Tried to highlight an issue with an ETA - just to help anyone else out if they end up in the same situation, have had to state multiple times that we were not in the wrong, as suggested by older members
Suggested that its not quite as easy to lease a car these days, snide comments follow that this wasn't other peoples experience. Fair enough, but if your experience was 5yrs ago maybe things have changed since then......maybe sometimes newer members who have just experienced these things might know better,
And lastly....and maybe the most important one.... god forbid saying you enjoy vancouver. FFS expect a repeat of "you don't know what your talking about", "vancouver is awful" "that will soon wear off".
So as such I'm not positing any new threads on here and just wanted to thank those of you who helped me when i started out, however this site has got very bitter and quite frankly i feel sorry for people who's dream it is to move to vancouver and come on here, its one thing to give a balanced opinion and another to just shoot people down
Thanks guys,
Good luck to all of you making the move
recently if i have disagreed with any of the older members of this site, it seems to turn into some sort of pissing match to prove newer members are wrong.
My experience of this:
Tried to highlight an issue with an ETA - just to help anyone else out if they end up in the same situation, have had to state multiple times that we were not in the wrong, as suggested by older members
Suggested that its not quite as easy to lease a car these days, snide comments follow that this wasn't other peoples experience. Fair enough, but if your experience was 5yrs ago maybe things have changed since then......maybe sometimes newer members who have just experienced these things might know better,
And lastly....and maybe the most important one.... god forbid saying you enjoy vancouver. FFS expect a repeat of "you don't know what your talking about", "vancouver is awful" "that will soon wear off".
So as such I'm not positing any new threads on here and just wanted to thank those of you who helped me when i started out, however this site has got very bitter and quite frankly i feel sorry for people who's dream it is to move to vancouver and come on here, its one thing to give a balanced opinion and another to just shoot people down
Thanks guys,
Good luck to all of you making the move
Anyway, I'd suggest looking at living in Canada from a case study analysis. Its mainly a qualitative experience that given enough evidence you can produce generalities but its never a totality and uniformity of experience. Granted on here we tend to use totalizing language but that’s to be expected. Using an example of a fishing trip. If you don’t catch anything in the first couple of hours its complete shit, then you land three in a row and its brilliant and then the last few hours its boring but lovely scenery. Humans are imperfective when describing experience away from formal academic constrains.
#34
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
Allow me to present a vintage Vancouver mocking thread, just to show there's nothing new on the theme:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/canad...nt-get-759654/
http://britishexpats.com/forum/canad...nt-get-759654/
#35
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
I thought you were a Canadian living in Gasgow?
Anyway, I'd suggest looking at living in Canada from a case study analysis. Its mainly a qualitative experience that given enough evidence you can produce generalities but its never a totality and uniformity of experience. Granted on here we tend to use totalizing language but that’s to be expected. Using an example of a fishing trip. If you don’t catch anything in the first couple of hours its complete shit, then you land three in a row and its brilliant and then the last few hours its boring but lovely scenery. Humans are imperfective when describing experience away from formal academic constrains.
Anyway, I'd suggest looking at living in Canada from a case study analysis. Its mainly a qualitative experience that given enough evidence you can produce generalities but its never a totality and uniformity of experience. Granted on here we tend to use totalizing language but that’s to be expected. Using an example of a fishing trip. If you don’t catch anything in the first couple of hours its complete shit, then you land three in a row and its brilliant and then the last few hours its boring but lovely scenery. Humans are imperfective when describing experience away from formal academic constrains.
I was when i signed up here, i moved to vancouver.
#37
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
When i first joined this site got some great info from some great people, however things seem to have gone downhill.
recently if i have disagreed with any of the older members of this site, it seems to turn into some sort of pissing match to prove newer members are wrong.
My experience of this:
Tried to highlight an issue with an ETA - just to help anyone else out if they end up in the same situation, have had to state multiple times that we were not in the wrong, as suggested by older members
Suggested that its not quite as easy to lease a car these days, snide comments follow that this wasn't other peoples experience. Fair enough, but if your experience was 5yrs ago maybe things have changed since then......maybe sometimes newer members who have just experienced these things might know better,
And lastly....and maybe the most important one.... god forbid saying you enjoy vancouver. FFS expect a repeat of "you don't know what your talking about", "vancouver is awful" "that will soon wear off".
So as such I'm not positing any new threads on here and just wanted to thank those of you who helped me when i started out, however this site has got very bitter and quite frankly i feel sorry for people who's dream it is to move to vancouver and come on here, its one thing to give a balanced opinion and another to just shoot people down
Thanks guys,
Good luck to all of you making the move
recently if i have disagreed with any of the older members of this site, it seems to turn into some sort of pissing match to prove newer members are wrong.
My experience of this:
Tried to highlight an issue with an ETA - just to help anyone else out if they end up in the same situation, have had to state multiple times that we were not in the wrong, as suggested by older members
Suggested that its not quite as easy to lease a car these days, snide comments follow that this wasn't other peoples experience. Fair enough, but if your experience was 5yrs ago maybe things have changed since then......maybe sometimes newer members who have just experienced these things might know better,
And lastly....and maybe the most important one.... god forbid saying you enjoy vancouver. FFS expect a repeat of "you don't know what your talking about", "vancouver is awful" "that will soon wear off".
So as such I'm not positing any new threads on here and just wanted to thank those of you who helped me when i started out, however this site has got very bitter and quite frankly i feel sorry for people who's dream it is to move to vancouver and come on here, its one thing to give a balanced opinion and another to just shoot people down
Thanks guys,
Good luck to all of you making the move
What you should remember, is that many times people are given incorrect information and in order to assist with the correct info, full details are required. In regards to the question of ETA you mentioned several times "visa" when in fact you were talking about a work permit. Advice given can only be based on the information provided!
Regarding the leasing of a vehicle, many of the banks will give car loans to temporary workers. It also helps if you bring proof of your financial stability - a report from Equifax, letters of good standing from previous banks/mortgage holders/landlords etc., all of which help to show that you are fiscally responsible. These are also useful if you plan on obtaining a mortgage at any time.
You should also bear in mind that things are not the same for all people! Some find it easy to get a car loan or whatever, perhaps because they have a good customer service manager at the bank, whilst other struggle.
The same goes for life experiences in any place in Canada. Ask someone about "Hamilton" and you will get a mixed bag of responses, with some saying it's a filthy hole and others (like me) saying it's great! To each their own...
We don't all have to agree..
Giving your opinion or your experiences as an example is always good, but other people who have had a different experience are also free to post theirs - it's called a balanced view.
#38
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
Never have bothered to put anyone on ignore. Once it gets to that stage, it is far too amusing to miss anything. Those are the most entertaining posters, when folks get their panties in a knot over nothing. Some just set themselves up!
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#39
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong!
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
I'm sorry that you are feeling that way but I feel that you are being somewhat dismissive of the many people who have experience and who have offered excellent help and advice on many of the questions you have asked.
What you should remember, is that many times people are given incorrect information and in order to assist with the correct info, full details are required. In regards to the question of ETA you mentioned several times "visa" when in fact you were talking about a work permit. Advice given can only be based on the information provided!
Regarding the leasing of a vehicle, many of the banks will give car loans to temporary workers. It also helps if you bring proof of your financial stability - a report from Equifax, letters of good standing from previous banks/mortgage holders/landlords etc., all of which help to show that you are fiscally responsible. These are also useful if you plan on obtaining a mortgage at any time.
You should also bear in mind that things are not the same for all people! Some find it easy to get a car loan or whatever, perhaps because they have a good customer service manager at the bank, whilst other struggle.
The same goes for life experiences in any place in Canada. Ask someone about "Hamilton" and you will get a mixed bag of responses, with some saying it's a filthy hole and others (like me) saying it's great! To each their own...
We don't all have to agree..
Giving your opinion or your experiences as an example is always good, but other people who have had a different experience are also free to post theirs - it's called a balanced view.
What you should remember, is that many times people are given incorrect information and in order to assist with the correct info, full details are required. In regards to the question of ETA you mentioned several times "visa" when in fact you were talking about a work permit. Advice given can only be based on the information provided!
Regarding the leasing of a vehicle, many of the banks will give car loans to temporary workers. It also helps if you bring proof of your financial stability - a report from Equifax, letters of good standing from previous banks/mortgage holders/landlords etc., all of which help to show that you are fiscally responsible. These are also useful if you plan on obtaining a mortgage at any time.
You should also bear in mind that things are not the same for all people! Some find it easy to get a car loan or whatever, perhaps because they have a good customer service manager at the bank, whilst other struggle.
The same goes for life experiences in any place in Canada. Ask someone about "Hamilton" and you will get a mixed bag of responses, with some saying it's a filthy hole and others (like me) saying it's great! To each their own...
We don't all have to agree..
Giving your opinion or your experiences as an example is always good, but other people who have had a different experience are also free to post theirs - it's called a balanced view.
#41
Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
People will disagree with you, it's an open forum, and nothing that you've seen is anything new. BE is a community, think of it as a pub where you'll get the 'regulars', and the people that just pop in for an occasional pint, and where people disagree with each other and get along too. You've only got to look at the thread about Oakvillian's recent news to see the support that this forum gives to members (I've seen it time and time again over the years, but that's just a recent example), it's a shame that you're focusing on a few negative posts rather than seeing the bigger picture.
As Siouxie has said, the thread about the ETA wasn't anything personal and I've no idea why you've taken it like that, people were simply correcting your 'visa' terminology, and I'd point out that you also hadn't mentioned when your OP got his IEC to start with, so we had no idea it was a recently issued one and therefore would have had the ETA with it. You can't blame them for trying to clarify.
It's great that you like Vancouver, so do I FWIW, and lots of others do too. There are plenty of posts with positive praise for the city, but you seem to be ignoring those and focusing on those that are most negative. Look at the whole picture, and all the posts, not just a few who are from people that don't like living there. Again, think of the pub - not everybody will be happy with where they're living, and they're perfectly entitled to express that opinion.
This thread serves no purpose other than to let you have a rant at longer term members (most of whom have given endless help and support to people over the years, including newbies), so I'm tempted to close it but will leave it for a while - if it goes downhill then a mod will close it though. For future reference, if you have an issue with a post that somebody has made, then use the report button, that's what it's there for rather than starting a thread about other people's posts.
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#42
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
I must admit the OP has a point with the general 'culture' of the forum at times. People can reply with snide comments and smart arse remarks that are in most cases not required. As with most things on the internet I often think that people wouldn't present themselves in such a rude and hostile way if they were face to face so why do it on the internet. We're all just people and most don't know each other personally, so why make efforts to antagonise or stress a stranger out. A stranger who is often only here asking for help.
#43
Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
I must admit the OP has a point with the general 'culture' of the forum at times. People can reply with snide comments and smart arse remarks that are in most cases not required. As with most things on the internet I often think that people wouldn't present themselves in such a rude and hostile way if they were face to face so why do it on the internet. We're all just people and most don't know each other personally, so why make efforts to antagonise or stress a stranger out. A stranger who is often only here asking for help.
As you know, if somebody is unwelcoming to a newbie for no reason, we will generally have a word or delete it, comments like those won't be tolerated and we do want the forum to be welcoming. But similarly, newbies are often urged to actually read the sticky threads on forum 'netiquette' first if they're about to rub people up the wrong way and need to realise that if they're snappy or rude, that's generally what they'll get back in response.
Believe it or not, it's got a huge amount better in the past few years. There used to be a lot of members that were really rude to newbies and had a 'clique' going, they were tough to deal with. Thankfully though, they've drifted away (or been banned) and it's a much nicer place to be these days.
It's still like being Kofi Annan sometimes though.
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#44
Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
On this thread, I think the OP is making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Re: Food for thought for some older members on here
Interesting given the number of messages in my inbox from newer members feeling that exact same way as myself.
But then again im entitled to my opinion
But then again im entitled to my opinion