Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11387663)

Fat people are fat because they're fat. And they eat too much stuff.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11387807)

Every time I go to the movies in the US I see loads of over weight people walking down the aisles...a huge bucket full of popcorn under one arm and a huge container of soda in the other. They usually go back at least once for refills. Please don't tell me eating and drinking that crap...in those quantities is genetic.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11387657)

Corpulence has become widespread because of processed food and pervasive marketing.

This particular gene affects appetite. It appears that those with the gene will continue to feel hungry when in fact they have eaten enough (satiety as bats noted). Some will exert willpower some will not. That however is quite a different situation than those without the gene eat a moderate amount and fund they feel full. No willpower is required, hence an un level playing field.

There is also the phenomena that dishwashing describes, where some people appear to eat beyond immoderately but do not gain wright. Although I think some research has questioned whether intake is in fact moderate. It may also be down to metabolism and/or exercise (which impacts metabolism).

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11387990)

The difference between those with fast and slow metabolisms (for people that weigh the same) is at most 300 calories per day. There is no gene that allows thin people to eat as much as they want and not gain weight, something that would actually indicate a serious underlying absorption issue. Thin people who claim this overestate the amount they eat in the same way that fat people claim not to eat that much.

Genetics, marketing, processed food, thyroid diseases, pcos, etc. Fat people can keep telling themselves that it isn't their own fault, but really it is. Ok, i'll grant that it is not their fault if they have prader willi syndrome where hunger causes physical pain (although this is very rare).

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11387663)

Fat people are fat because they're fat. And they eat too much stuff.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11387514)

Fat people are fat because they eat to much. People aren't born with genes that allow them to break the laws of thermodynamics.

There are some medical conditions that make maintaining a healthy weight more difficult, but it is still a matter of adjusting calories eaten to match calories burned doing things.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11387807)

Every time I go to the movies in the US I see loads of over weight people walking down the aisles...a huge bucket full of popcorn under one arm and a huge container of soda in the other. They usually go back at least once for refills. Please don't tell me eating and drinking that crap...in those quantities is genetic.

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11389324)

Or they consume to much booze.

You can eat a healthy all week but drink 20+ pints of beer and shifting weight is a nightmare.

Not that I'd know as my body is a temple.

Originally Posted by dishwashing (Post 11389401)

I'm genetically predisposed to love food :thumbup:

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11389477)

I love food. But to paraphrase Kate Moss "No entire 6 person size pizza washed down with 2L of coke tastes as good as not being a total lard bucket feels"

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11389482)

So what have you eaten this weekend?

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11389486)

Salmon - lots of wild sockeye as it's in season and cheap right now. It's very tasty.

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11389494)

That's all?

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11389496)

Of course not. Where are you going with this?

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11389509)

You know where I'm going. Just wondering how much someone who doesn't eat too much eats.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11389486)

Salmon - lots of wild sockeye as it's in season and cheap right now. It's very tasty.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11389521)

Ok, since you asked, today's food was:

Breakfast of oats, blueberries (also in season), almonds and milk.
Lunch of two poached eggs on toast with Marmite.
Afternoon snack of some crisps and a piece of cheese.
Tea was a salmon (prob about 5oz), veggies, pasta mixed with some cream, I also had a glass of wine.
For pud I had blackberry (from the garden) crumble.

I don't count calories, but I would guess that totals about 2000 or so, maybe a little more, I dunno. I did row 10k today (on a machine, not water, and yes this is slightly smug, but you did ask) so I'm probably going to have some bread, cheese and a pickled egg as an evening snack.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11389521)

Ok, since you asked, today's food was:

Breakfast of oats, blueberries (also in season), almonds and milk.
Lunch of two poached eggs on toast with Marmite.
Afternoon snack of some crisps and a piece of cheese.
Tea was a salmon (prob about 5oz), veggies, pasta mixed with some cream, I also had a glass of wine.
For pud I had blackberry (from the garden) crumble.

I don't count calories, but I would guess that totals about 2000 or so, maybe a little more, I dunno. I did row 10k today (on a machine, not water, and yes this is slightly smug, but you did ask) so I'm probably going to have some bread, cheese and a pickled egg as an evening snack.

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11389818)

Butter on that toast and bread? Unless your portion size is tiny I think that would be way over 2000.

Yesterday I had two eggs on toast, no butter, with spinach. Cycled 16km, not much as I had cycled 35 on Saturday and was a bit tired. Greek yoghurt with plums for a snack. Squash, onions, plain pasta and roast chicken for dinner. Coffees with skimmed milk. No alcohol.

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Originally Posted by dishwashing (Post 11389618)

Tis so How long does this cheap salmon season last? I'm enjoyin it, considering stocking up...is that a good idea before they escalate in prices again?

Originally Posted by dishwashing (Post 11389620)

Calories counting is the pits. The weight loss industry is a multi billion dollar industry...anyone who has gone on a diet usually ends us gaining that and more back...voila the multi billion dollar industry lives to see another day again.

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11389818)

Butter on that toast and bread? Unless your portion size is tiny I think that would be way over 2000.

Yesterday I had two eggs on toast, no butter, with spinach. Cycled 16km, not much as I had cycled 35 on Saturday and was a bit tired. Greek yoghurt with plums for a snack. Squash, onions, plain pasta and roast chicken for dinner. Coffees with skimmed milk. No alcohol.

I'm fat. No weight loss this week but I did go out for a curry on Saturday.

Weight loss isn't simple, I saw that earlier you agreed it isn't easy but please don't make references to lard arses. It isn't helpful.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11390059)

I prefer marmite on its own. I don't use butter in sandwiches as there's usually some other condiment that goes better (pickle, mayo, ketchup or what have you) and you don't need both.

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 11390064)

I've been in Canada 10 years and still continue my crusade for butter in sandwiches in the place of mayo, honey mustard and other North American abominations.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11390070)

I can understand wih that other shit, but what's wrong with mayo?

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11390074)

As long as you have a bit of cheese, tomato or salami, why is there the need for any of those spreads? It just makes for a soggy sandwich.

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 11390077)

If you like white, vinegary pus then knock yourself out. It's a pale substitute for butter though.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11390093)

Well, you clearly have a strong aversion to it. I suppose this means that you don't ever have egg or tuna sandwiches?

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11389858)

Is that outdoor cycling?

Butter spread thinly doesn't add too many calories.

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11390138)

Outdoor cycling. Mostly on trails.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11390181)

In that case, impressive! :thumbup:

Originally Posted by dishwashing (Post 11389618)

Tis so How long does this cheap salmon season last? I'm enjoyin it, considering stocking up...is that a good idea before they escalate in prices again?

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11390138)

Outdoor cycling. Mostly on trails.

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11390254)

If you want to lose weight cut out, pop, booze, potatoes, bread and rice. And go for a long run four or five times a week.

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11390338)

So cheese would be ok then?

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11390387)

Yes, unless you eat it like this:

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