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Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4876729)
I do wonder about this:
"Perhaps most worrying is the alienation of large sections of the country's young people. These are people detached from society, floating free of family, jobs, education and training. NEETs, or young people "not in education, employment or training," now comprise one-fifth (1.2 million) of British 16- to 24-year-olds. In the 16 to 19 age bracket, 11 per cent are classed as NEETS, double the proportion in Germany and France -- and this despite massive spending on "welfare to work" initiatives by Gordon Brown since he declared, on taking up the reins of power in 1997, that "staying home is not an option. Commentators scratch their heads at how so many young people are able to get away with, literally, doing nothing, when there is apparently enough work for the hundreds of thousands of eastern Europeans who have entered the country since enlargement of the European Union a couple of years ago. One of the most watched shows on television employs police closed-circuit television-camera footage of drunken brawls each weekend in British towns and cities. It is normally the NEETS who are throwing the punches." http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?c..._106150_106150 In the 16-24 yo age group, 20% are not employed, at school or in training?! I wonder what the figures would look like for Canada or the States. Who do these NEETS mooch off of? No way are my kids living at home past 18 without working or going to school. Folk might also want to note that the author is Martin Newland... from wiki [quote] (born 1962) is a British journalist who was editor of The Daily Telegraph, a British broadsheet newspaper, from 2003-2005, replacing Charles Moore. He is related to Andrew Newland worked to preserve the Daily Telegraph when it was purchased in June 2004 from Hollinger International by the Barclay brothers, owners of The Scotsman newspaper and The Business magazine. After the takeover, it was confirmed that Newland would remain as editor under the new owners, despite some reports that he would be replaced by Dominic Lawson, editor of the Sunday Telegraph, and others such as Andrew Neil, publisher of The Scotsman and The Business. Newland was opposed to introducing a compact (tabloid) version of the Daily Telegraph but was known to want to introduce some changes to the broadsheet. Newland resigned as Daily Telegraph editor on November 18, 2005. His temporary replacement was confirmed as John Bryant, the Telegraph Group's newly-appointed Editor-in-Chief. It has been reported that he has applied to the Conservative Party to join their candidate list for the next General Election. [edit] Previous career Prior to becoming editor of the Daily Telegraph, he was deputy editor on the National Post, a conservative Canadian daily founded in 1998 by Lord Black of Crossharbour. Under Newland's news direction, the upstart daily found a distinctive voice and quickly came to within striking distance of the venerable, but colourless Globe and Mail, before mounting losses forced major cutbacks in editorial staffing levels. Before that Newland was home editor, news editor and a reporter for the Daily Telegraph. A devout Catholic[1], he is married to the sister of the Telegraph's pocket cartoonist, Matt. [endquote] No agenda there, then. |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
I agree with author bias, but if truly there are 20% 16-24 yos who are NEET, that's :ohmy: cos I have to wonder what they are up to in their spare time.
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Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Well, hopefully the article will help dispell the "No Sex, we're British" myth. Cant be a leader in teen pregnancies and STDs without at least going to some effort:D
I tried to read more than the first few paragraphs, honestly I did, but my brain rebelled when it realised just how little it really cared. Mention of the spectator and one of its mouthpieces theodor dalrymple (a man who doesnt even associate his real name with his ides) also cast the article in a certain light too. But mainly I realised I just dont care for the UKs problems, real or otherwise, anymore. |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by MarkG
(Post 4875647)
By an odd coincidence, 1979 was the last time that a Labour government was thrown out of power.
Though this time we don't have anyone with any balls to replace it with. Don't worry, Boris Johnson will become PM and save us all by making pie eating compulsory :) |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by MarkG
(Post 4875949)
Assuming you don't count the millions who have become 'permanently disabled' in the last decade or so... or the couple of million time-wasters the government has hired since 1997 to ensure we follow all their stupid new rules.
As anyone who lives in the UK should be well aware of by now, it's much easier to fiddle the figures than to fix a problem. How was Thatcher's Britain for you? Do you even remember it? |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by Mr Lee
(Post 4878079)
Yaaawwwnnn... :zzz:
How was Thatcher's Britain for you? Do you even remember it? |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by Sally
(Post 4878092)
It was the Thatcher government that started the disability scam.
It was the Thatcher government that put millions on the dole (and tweaked the figures regularly to decrease the "official" number) and thus spawned the something for nothing mentality of today's Britain. Ironic really as the Daily Mail readers who loved the cow so much are now the ones tut-tutting so much at her demonic spawn as appears so regularly in the pages of said rag. The pages that aren't blaming the massed throngs of asylum seekers and east Europeans draining the country of dignity and hard-earned tax-payers money that is... |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
I can certainly believe the recent years' decline in the UK myself. Just talking with family on the phone gives out small hints on the changes over the pond.
However, with a lot of focus on certain crime related areas in the UK, do you think things are worse than they are in the USA? One discussion for many years has been the awareness of UK youth crime influenced by American film & TV. |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by Mr Lee
(Post 4878107)
Correctomundo Sally.
It was the Thatcher government that put millions on the dole (and tweaked the figures regularly to decrease the "official" number) and thus spawned the something for nothing mentality of today's Britain. Ironic really as the Daily Mail readers who loved the cow so much are now the ones tut-tutting so much at her demonic spawn as appears so regularly in the pages of said rag. The pages that aren't blaming the massed throngs of asylum seekers and east Europeans draining the country of dignity and hard-earned tax-payers money that is... |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by lousid
(Post 4873730)
... The Queen's once-proud subjects now lead Europe in illiteracy, unemployment, teen pregnancy, divorce, drug use, obesity, alcoholism, crime and STDs'
...screams the cover of the latest Maclean's magazine. Any else read it yet? |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4876729)
One of the most watched shows on television employs police closed-circuit television-camera footage of drunken brawls each weekend in British towns and cities. It is normally the NEETS who are throwing the punches."
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Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by SivoxII
(Post 4878147)
I can certainly believe the recent years' decline in the UK myself. Just talking with family on the phone gives out small hints on the changes over the pond.
However, with a lot of focus on certain crime related areas in the UK, do you think things are worse than they are in the USA? One discussion for many years has been the awareness of UK youth crime influenced by American film & TV. |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by Sally
(Post 4878092)
It was the Thatcher government that started the disability scam.
Its easy to blame the government for all the problems in a country, but who ever you vote for the government always gets in anyway. Many of Britains problems would be there regardless of who is in power, the people dont change, and if they are going to be workshy gobshytes who care only about themselves, then no amount of legislation or initiatives is going to change that I'm afraid. |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by Notiaink...honest
(Post 4879948)
I'm sure that's not the only Thatcherite idea TB has borrowed in his quest to make labour electable.
Its easy to blame the government for all the problems in a country, but who ever you vote for the government always gets in anyway. Many of Britains problems would be there regardless of who is in power, the people dont change, and if they are going to be workshy gobshytes who care only about themselves, then no amount of legislation or initiatives is going to change that I'm afraid. Have you noticed regardless of who’s in power they get blamed for societies failing, my spin is most of the problem is the whining middle classes who try to remember the past being better (when it wasn’t) and them and there paper (who print what their audience wants to hear) blame the problem on the under classes and the reality is it not the government failing… but the people that make up the population failing… and by that 'failing to cooperate' to solve the problem but rather expect somebody else to fix their problem… very NIMBY It reminds me of a neat Human statistical effect I ran across; in so much that when asked 75% of the population believes its in the top 50%.. Roughly this tends to indicate that 25% of the population has an incorrect reference point for the average and as a result will tend to make very inaccurate statements and try and state them as truth.. |
Re: 'England's shocking decline ...
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 4880562)
as a result will tend to make very inaccurate statements and try and state them as truth..
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