Early Elections?
 

Calling early elections seem to be quite the trend in Canada.

During the pandemic Trudeau did it, at a high cost to the taxpayer and no real results, same number of seats as before.

Now Ford wants an early election at a cost of 75 Million to the taxpayer. Ford states that a strong mandate and the US election and Trump would make that necessary, but he already has a strong majority. Most likely Ford is trying to distract from some unknown scandal?

And then there is the federal election this year, most likely it'll also be an early election.
One just has to think what money could be saved and spent on other matters ( health care, etc... ) instead of constantly calling early elections.
Is this really all necessary?

Re: Early Elections?
 

I have no idea about the political situation in Ontario, so I can't comment about that but...

I would be amazed if anyone doesn't want a Federal Election as soon as possible. As a result of the constitutional challenge that is wending its way through Federal Court, the prorogation may be deemed inappropriate and, if so, Parliament will resume, the Government is likely to fall as a result of a non-confidence vote (if Singh does what he has stated he will but we have been there before) and the election may happen sooner than the government wants.

I always question the "additional cost" put forward by the public service. They are paid regardless and, while I accept that there may be some overtime, or additional temporary workers, involved, it appears to me that the vast majority of the "cost" would have been incurred anyway.

Re: Early Elections?
 

They knew that covid might cause economic fallout and inflation, that's why they did it, to basically reset the 5 year countdown to try and avoid an election during the rough times.

Re: Early Elections?
 

I think that Jagmeet Singh will support the Liberals continue in power under the guise of helping the Feds fight against the Trump tariffs. I'm just waiting for PP to get his underwear in a twist when he doesn't get his way with an early election.

Re: Early Elections?
 

Why would PP want an election? He's in an untenable position; he's presented himself as a Trump lackey and Trump has turned against Canada.

Re: Early Elections?
 

He's hoping people haven't realized yet, and him winning will be even less likely once Carney becomes liberal leader (provided the liberals don't select Freeland).

Re: Early Elections?
 

Why do you think that would change people's opinions? Didn't he support all of the policies that Trudeau implemented? What do you believe he is going to do any differently than Trudeau?

Re: Early Elections?
 

All the effort has been focused on attacking Trudeau - "he's not ready", "he's a drama teacher",etc. now he's gone, that all falls flat.

Actual policies are a small part of elections, people tend to gravitate to people they know, respect and show good leadership. Most people are very uninformed when it comes to choosing who to vote for, for example in the recent BC elections, many people voted provincial conservative because they thought it was a federal election.

Unlike Trudeau, Carney is insanely well qualified and experienced. People want reassurance during these uncertain times, and Carney delivers that. The liberal party has a long history in Canada and Carney is tapping into that liberal nostalgia too.

Personally I think policy wise Carney will do a better job listening to the right people, Trudeau often ended up listening to corporate lobbyists and other self interested people, I think Carney will do a better job recognizing that.

But I'll admit it's mostly vibes based, but that's often how these things play out.

Re: Early Elections?
 

I always wonder how people know this. Did any of your friends tell you that they voted thinking they were voting in a federal election?

I would argue against Carney being insanely well qualified and experienced, as a politician.

I agree that lots of the electorate have no idea about policies, or why one may be better than the other. The impression I get is that they simply want the government to give money to them, apparently, oblivious to the the fact that the government can only do so if it takes it from another entity.

Re: Early Elections?
 

Freeland did not support all the economic decisions JT made, hence her eventual resignation. Carney was an advisor to JT but that not mean that Trudeau did everything or even anything Carney advised.

Re: Early Elections?
 

Carney is not well qualified as a politician and I expect that to be in his favour. Trump is hardly a 'real' politician in the traditional sense. Meanwhile PP has only ever been a politician, never had a real world job, not even as a drama teacher.

Re: Early Elections?
 

PP has been going on for months or even longer that Canada needs an 'Axe the Tax' election without delay. I'm still trying to figure out why PP wants to axe the carbon tax - 80% of households get more rebate than the tax costs them so why does he want to make us worse off just because he doesn't like Trudeau (does anyone?!).

Re: Early Elections?
 

PP has been going on for months or even longer that Canada needs an 'Axe the Tax' election without delay. I'm still trying to figure out why PP wants to axe the carbon tax - 80% of households get more rebate than the tax costs them so why does he want to make us worse off just because he doesn't like Trudeau (does anyone?!).

Re: Early Elections?
 

You have just aptly demonstrated what I stated above.

The aim was to reduce carbon emissions wasn't it and, on that metric, it has been an abject failure. If it was intended to be a redistribution of income policy, there is an argument that has been a success.

Re: Early Elections?
 

I am given to understand that actually the carbon reduction emissions under the Carbon Tax has been successful in getting industry to reduce their emissions (or at least invest in processes that will be successful) and successful in benefiting ordinary households also. If that is true then what is not to like about the Carbon Tax?

Re: Early Elections?
 

Maybe we are getting off topic here but in support of my above post here is an extract from
https://climateinstitute.ca/news/ind...nalysis-shows/

OTTAWA—Climate policies are reducing Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions, and industrial carbon pricing is the single biggest driver, according to new analysis by the Canadian Climate Institute.

The paper, Which Canadian climate policies will have the biggest impact by 2030?, features the first rigorous analysis attributing emissions reductions to collective and individual climate policies. It examines, first, how policies implemented to date have affected Canada’s emissions trajectory and, second, how major climate policies are expected to impact emissions between 2025 and 2030.

By 2030, industrial carbon pricing (which includes various types of large-emitter trading systems) is projected to contribute between 23 and 39 per cent (or 53 to 90 Mt) of avoided emissions from all policies implemented to date. And between now and 2030, these large-emitter trading systems—such as Ontario’s emissions performance standard or Alberta’s TIER system—will do more than any other policy to cut emissions, delivering between 20 and 48 per cent of emissions reductions expected from Canada’s Emissions Reductions Plan moving forward.......

Re: Early Elections?
 

I'm not finding a single source that backs up that assertion. Wiki, the UN, ecofiscal, Canadian climate institute, smart prosperity institute...all confirm reduced emissions.

Perhaps you are thinking of (and propagating) the myth that has led people to wrongly believe it hasn't as illustrated by a few opinion polls.

Re: Early Elections?
 

Evidence please. That shows that Canada's carbon emissions have reduced and that that reduction is attributable to the carbon tax that Trudeau introduced, and not others things.

Re: Early Elections?
 

No, but the BC NDP claimed they observed it happening.

Vancouver Sun - NDP asks court to put the B.C. back in Conservative party on ballots

Quote:

---

The NDP said voters are telling NDP door-knockers they intend to vote for Poilievre, leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, in the upcoming provincial election or that they want to vote Prime Minister Justin Trudeau out of office.

---

Re: Early Elections?
 

So you can make an assertion without a reference to a single source but you ask for evidence for my assertion that references a bunch of sources.

Yes, that's fair. :rofl:

Re: Early Elections?
 

I think Doug Ford has realized and is positioning himself as the conservative not aligned with Trump; the pro-Canada conservative.

Re: Early Elections?
 

MOGA?

Re: Early Elections?
 

There was a poll before Trudeau resigned where Carney was even less popular than Freeland. And neither got more than about 20% of the votes.

By the time we get an election the economy will probably be in such a mess that people will be voting for Trump.

Re: Early Elections?
 

Ford isn't entirely without scandal and issues, and he hopes by calling an early election those things are sort of in the background, als long as Trump is doing his tariff thing the public's mind is set.

They should rather think how they address the tariff issue at the border rather than calling an early election, - and Ford already does have a mandate for that. Tariff less trade at the border between Canada and the US is around 40 years old, this is how long the two economies are connected.

I don't think the US has even the infrastructure in place to collect the tariffs?. Trained customs officers? Forms to fill out? Bills to be paid? Where and when? right at the border?I think what's possibly going to happen is that this may result in a legal row as well. After all, in a supply chain economy between Canada and the US, US investment is also affected by this. What are investors in the US going to say and how are they going to react if their business investment isn't showing the performance they expect?

It's possible that these tariffs are to be ruled illegal. However that might be a long legal battle, and to Trump it'll be personal, it's about a "strong man's ego" behing hurt.