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scrubbedexpat091 Jul 22nd 2014 9:05 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11344656)
They are informing me because they need it authorized.

But needing parent authorization is not the same as the parent requiring permission from the school.

Sally Redux Jul 22nd 2014 9:16 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11344759)
But needing parent authorization is not the same as the parent requiring permission from the school.

We do have to get permission:

STUDENT/PARENT RESPONSIBILITIES AND GUIDELINES REGARDING ATTENDANCE

Excused Absences from Compulsory Attendance
Education Code Section 48205 permits a pupil to be excused from school under certain circumstances.
· Illness
· Medical, dental, optometry, chiropractic services
· Quarantine
· Funeral of immediate family, limited to 1 day in state, 3 days out of state
· Court Appearance*
· Illness of custodial child*
· Religious holiday or ceremony*
· Religious retreats limited to 4 hours per semester*
· Employment conferences*
· Other reasons pursuant to board policy*

*Prior approval of these absences must be requested in writing on the appropriate form (click here) by parent/guardian and approved by an administrator.

All absences* MUST be cleared within 72 hours
Attendance Hotline (818) 222-7177 ext. 699


PHILOSOPHY

The primary responsbility of the student is to be in class to maximize his/her opportunities for success. Excessive tardiness and absences have a direct correlation to poor student performance and are detrimental to the learning environment. Parents, students, teachers, and administrators all have a shared responsiblity to ensure that a quality education is priority. Las Virgenes Unified School District attendance policy is directed toward achieiving that goal.

Full Day Absences: A student can clear an absence by: Having a parent or guardian call the school to report the full-day absence within 72 hours*. Students returning to school after an absence whose parent or guardian has called to excuse the absence can go directly to first or second period. Please include your student's name, date(s) of absence and the reason for the absence when you call. If the absence is one that needed to be pre-approved (see list below) please bring a copy of the signed/approved form.

Upon his/her return, the student can bring a note to school signed by the parent, clearing the absence. Students returning to school after an absence with a note from a parent/guardian, can drop off the note at the Attendance Office for verification. Please include your student's name, date(s) of absence and the reason for the absence in the note.

All absences* must be cleared within 72 hours or the absences will be considered truant absences (unexcused) and assignments may not be made up for credit. Students may be dropped/failed from classes with three (3) unverified absences in any one class. Parents will be notified by phone and mail regarding unverified absences.

Part Day Absences: Students leaving campus for any reason throughout the normal school day must check out in advance through the Attendance Office. A student may check out during the day if:




They have a signed note by the parent stating the reason for leaving and time required to check out. The note must have a parent signature and a phone number to verify the reason. If the student is leaving for medical reasons, (i.e. doctor, dentist, etc) the note must have the doctor's name.

A parent phones the Attendance Office and checks the student out.

Students leaving campus for any reason must check out at the Attendance or Health Office. Students leaving campus for any reason and not checking out through the Attendance or Health Office will be considered truant for that particular class period. A parent phone call will NOT clear a truant or unverified absence when a student has left campus without authorization. Students must be in school all day in order to practice or participate in a game, practice, rehearsal, performance or activity. Requests for exceptions must be made in advance through the Attendance Office. Students must check back in at the Attendance Office when returning to school...


...Absences, Excused (not ill): Absences due to death* in the family, religious observances*, court appearances*, illness of custodial child*, religious retreat*(4 hours per semester only), employment conference or other reasons pursuant to board policy MUST have prior approval from an administrator. Notice must be received no later than two weeks before the absence begins. Full credit will be given upon completion of make-up work or tests. The time limit for make-up work is one day for every day absent plus one day after returning from absence.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 22nd 2014 9:41 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 
Your original post implied they were only notifying you, and my comments were based on that and the information in those posts.

Sally Redux Jul 22nd 2014 9:42 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11344795)
Your original post implied they were only notifying you, and my comments were based on that and the information in those posts.

Yes perhaps I was not clear. I meant that they even jump on absences of one class.

Gozit Jul 22nd 2014 2:59 pm

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11344601)
Seems like an odd school system over there, never heard of parents needing permission to take their kids out of school for temporary absences.

I agree. I mean I've always thought schools in the UK and the whole politics and drama surrounding it were a bit intense but I never knew it went this far. :unsure:


Seems like not sending kids to school at all these days, and just home schooling based on the government curriculum is the way to go, too much politics in public schools these days.
Or homeschooling on a non-conventional method such as "unschooling" - basically learning about everything and anything, anywhere, not reliant upon textbooks or other government malarkey. And you know what? Read up on kids who have 'graduated' an unschool family - they really enjoyed it and respect their parents for it. Ask a kid who graduated from the state schools today? "Holy cripes, i'm glad to get out of that shithole" is what they'll tell you.

A quick google for "unschool" will give a better explanation than I can if you're interested.

ann m Jul 22nd 2014 5:17 pm

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 
It works both ways here. We've had quite a random response to Daughter Number One's high school absences. She has missed many days in the last two years for legitimate but varying medical reasons. Some weeks, everyone seemed on board and knew what was going on. Other weeks we would get random automated voicemails reporting "that a student in your household, named........ was absent for lesson 5" - even if she had been there the whole day, or had missed the whole day.

She quit out of band one October (concussion, too loud, etc) and they didn't seem to notice until March.

My frustration at staff grew daily. Left hand, right hand. I knew on each day where my daughter was and why, and communicated regularly. The school were wooly at best - and if I had not known her location, lord help me if I HAD wanted them to report an absence. No bloody consistency.

Daughter Number Two starts there in September and they love to brag about how much of a caring community they are. Experience prompts me to beg to differ. And when a parent is in the principals office in tears on more than one occasion, a courtesy follow up call with a "how's it going?" would have been appreciated.

My daughter has not had a great time at high school so far, and I've enjoyed it even less. Here's hoping for a good grade 11 and grade 9 for my two. And when they take a couple of days off next spring for competitions, I won't be asking anyone, I will call in the morning to say they won't be in.

Rant over. :sneaky:

Gozit Jul 23rd 2014 4:37 pm

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by ann m (Post 11345084)
It works both ways here. We've had quite a random response to Daughter Number One's high school absences. She has missed many days in the last two years for legitimate but varying medical reasons. Some weeks, everyone seemed on board and knew what was going on. Other weeks we would get random automated voicemails reporting "that a student in your household, named........ was absent for lesson 5" - even if she had been there the whole day, or had missed the whole day.

This happens to me all the time. I've gotten home some days and my mum is fuming "why were you out of x period today!!!" and me giving her a garbled look like "Damn well I wasn't!" ...


My daughter has not had a great time at high school so far, and I've enjoyed it even less. Here's hoping for a good grade 11 and grade 9 for my two.
I can sympathise. The last year was terrible for me, though no one around me can possibly even begin to comprehend that there just might be a flaw in the school system - because why would there be anything wrong with something that provides "wholesome education" for children? :nod:




And when they take a couple of days off next spring for competitions, I won't be asking anyone, I will call in the morning to say they won't be in.

Rant over. :sneaky:
:thumbsup:That's the spirit now. Can anyone tell me if having to go into Toronto to apply for, and then another separate trip to receive, my passport, is a valid excuse to miss school? :sneaky: Although I don't really care, i'm getting my passport either way :nod::lol:

Shard Jul 24th 2014 7:42 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11344702)
This.

People often seem to think of their child in isolation, "little Johnny being out for a week is no big deal". But imagine what would happen if every child in a class of thirty took even just one whole week out at random times of the year? It would reduce the teaching calendar/ plan to complete chaos! :frown:

It doesn't need to change the teaching plan, and I am sure in practice does not. The teacher teaches, the students learn what they are around for. There are so many other factors underpinning good educational development. Quality of teaching, reliability of a teacher showing up, pupil interpersonal issues, home life, etc, etc, that to get paranoid about responsible parent's taking their child out of school for a week or two is unnecessary.

kimilseung Jul 24th 2014 7:47 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11346936)
..... responsible parent's......

These are not really the problem, they would see that kids make up work, do work while on vacation. Its the irresponsible ones, that lead to rules being applied to all.

Gozit Jul 24th 2014 8:11 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11346936)
It doesn't need to change the teaching plan, and I am sure in practice does not. The teacher teaches, the students learn what they are around for. There are so many other factors underpinning good educational development. Quality of teaching, reliability of a teacher showing up, pupil interpersonal issues, home life, etc, etc, that to get paranoid about responsible parent's taking their child out of school for a week or two is unnecessary.

Exactly. :goodpost: Shard. Now while you lot are going on about how the kid has a "lost opportunity" by missing school whilst on vacation (which is ridiculous IMO, you learn a lot more from traveling than you do sitting in a dumb classroom all day memorising things for the purpose of passing the next test, after which you will forget all of the useless things you were forced to memorise) , what about the kid who flat out refuses to do anything but what he/she needs to do to pass the classes at a minimum level and get on with life? Is that a lost opportunity? Is that a waste of the teachers time, what is it?

IMO the kids who care about school will keep up whilst away or catch up when back and it won't change their marks, and the kids who don't give a flying **** about school won't keep up and it won't affect their marks either because all they are doing is what they need to in order to pass the class. So therefore why make a big deal about taking the kid out of school?

kimilseung Jul 24th 2014 8:36 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 11346980)
..... you learn a lot more from traveling than you do sitting in a dumb classroom .....

Absolutely, no bigger, bigger-upper than travels educational value than me, but for many its sitting around a beach not travel.

Gozit Jul 24th 2014 8:51 am

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11347004)
Absolutely, no bigger, bigger-upper than travels educational value than me, but for many its sitting around a beach not travel.

All true :) FWIW, all the things I have learned about Malta I learned mainly when visiting, the rest through sites like BE and the internet in general. Mind you, I didn't spend the whole time sitting on the beach, a good chunk though ;)

I recently got back from a travel for credit trip, which took me to Ottawa, Montreal, and New York. It was great and obviously much more educational than doing the course (Civics and Careers) in class. What we did for assignments actually pertained to real life situations that we could model whilst on our trip. It was great, I really liked it :)

Shard Jul 24th 2014 4:33 pm

Re: Cracking down on truancy!
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11346947)
These are not really the problem, they would see that kids make up work, do work while on vacation. Its the irresponsible ones, that lead to rules being applied to all.

Yes. And echoing what Gozit has just said, this makes this kind of blanket truancy policy particularly ineffective and unfair.


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