dbd33

That seems like a sensible set up. Processing vaccination certificates is getting pretty slick here so, even at the Leafs game the other night, there was no significant queuing. People who opt out can have food delivered.

scrubbedexpat091

You would almost think this was a satire article, but it's not.

Anti-Lockdown activist posted to social media he is sick, and wonders if he has the flu, granted it could be the flu, but maybe it's COVID.

""I have never been more sick, in terms of severity of sickness combined with duration, as I have been for the last 7 days. NEVER!!!!!"

"It started as hot n cold body chills, muscle and body aches, lack of being able to focus, cant walk, sore legs and eyes, respiratory cough, nose tingle and accompanying watery eye, head hurts when I cough, and throat tingle. Maybe a severe flu?!?!

"Now its morphed into no hot cold body chills, a more severe respiratory cough feeling, muscle fatigue after doing anything, zero energy, sore eyes (almost like a headache behind the eyes kinda) when I move them, very hard to walk, head hurts when I cough, sore lower back and sore legs. Totally drained.

His full social media quotes are in the article and on FB as well, publicly posted.
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My wife's mom has been quite sick this week, her COVID test was negative, so the doctor RX antibiotics over the phone, never even examning her, you would think listening at least to the lungs would be something done before just RX antibiotics.

Shard

I just finished it too ! Great discussion. I thought Rogan made some intelligent arguments on myochrditis and that Gupta struggled to really persuade him otherwise. Although top marks to Gupta for stepping into the ring with the big JR, not losing his cool, and ultimately getting his message out (Get vaxxed folks!). Rogan holding him to account for CNN's horse dewormer comment was painful to hear, but Gupta took the flak and moved on. I would be good to have someone with more analytical and rhetorical skills (Sam Harris?) to battle Rogan on this topic.

Shard

It depends what you mean by mandatory. I wouldn't like to see forced injections, as China seems to do. But if it were a case of suspension of the right to work or travel, I wouldn't object. Denying publically funded treatment to the politically unvaccinated might change a few minds too. Having said that, even with the modest vaccination iniatives government currently makes, there is a significant pushback from the objectors. Anyway, all good practice for when the world gets a serious virus to contend with.

scrubbedexpat091

At the rate things are going, the unvaccinated will have trouble finding jobs at somepoint, I got a pre-screen text for Air Canada for a job I applied to, and 3 yes or no questions 1) Understand the pay is $16/hr 2) are you over 19 (18 in Quebec) and 3) can you provide proof of vaccination.

I imagine this will be more and more common with employers requiring proof of vaccination, and governments in some provinces will probably be terminating employment of people in the coming weeks for those refusing to vaccinate and work in industries controlled by the government.

Former Lancastrian

I wonder if this was Ebola if so many would think about not getting vaccinated?

scrubbedexpat091

Good thought to think about.

Doesn't ebola kill faster which makes it harder to get a foothold compared to COVID?


I just don't being sick, so if I can reduce my chance of illness with a shot, I am for it, being sick even with a mild cold is money poop.

BEVS

Yes. We have pondered very similar. Would some be so keen to mix freely with possibly infected people if the virus displayed suppurating boils & then left visible scars.

scrubbedexpat091

This is from reddit, someone with cancer and a tumor having their surgery delayed, this is just one person's story but this is what is happening, ICU nurses saying it's worse than is being let on.

This pandemic has shown that the healthcare system is literally being held together by duct tape. The person who posted this received this when they were notified their cancer surgery to remove a tumor had been delayed.

Seems to be getting worse with the staff shortages as people are overworked and burning out and leaving healthcare, add in the 5,500 roughly refusing to get vaccinated who will supposedly be fired in the coming weeks, things not looking too good.


To our patients,

As you are likely aware, we are having significant difficulties accessing surgical and endoscopy services at Vancouver Coastal Health facilities. There are a number of reasons for this including the pressures of COVID-19 as well as staff shortages. As a result, our access to procedural time has been reduced. This has led to significant delays and, unfortunately, many cancellations. Please let us know if there is any change in your condition while you are waiting.

printer

Yet yesterday they were making plans to relieve some restrictions on capacity limits and possibly other small things. Todays cases were up again. Sometimes it seems like the right hand isn't talking to the left.

I've been watching the UK news with interest and i noticed last nights news started with COVID cases and possible return to some restrictions although Boris seems to be denying any such move his critics are calling for changes now before it gets out of hand and stating things like "100,000 cases a day" if we don't do something!

scrubbedexpat091

I am not convinced any of the policy makers actually know what is going on at the hospitals, because what nurses and doctors are reporting, things look not good.

Cancer doctors have been saying it, the rate of diagnoses for cancer is oddly low, too low to be an actual decline in cancer and most likely delayed diganoses due to delayed and cancelled screenings for cancer.

BristolUK

From CBC today

Quote:

Underlying conditions key to breakthrough infections

And this second part always annoys me. There's no breach of privacy in announcing certain basic information.

Every day there are official figures showing things like

• 10 people 19 or under
• Two people 20-29
• Four people 30-39
• Four people 50-59
• Three people 60-69
• A person 70-79
• A person 80-89

according to region of the province. This is a real example from yesterday. The same report includes So it's not okay to give information about age, underlying health conditions or specific vaccine combination administered to those who were hospitalized or died from COVID but it's fine to give it for age, specific vaccine combination administered to those who were hospitalized or in ICU.
Really? What's the difference?

The daft thing is that in the early days of Covid we could read of cases and/or deaths containing limited references to age or underlying health conditions without apparently breaking privacy laws. So why does it break them now?

mikelincs

I think it's highly likely that we will need repeated boosters, but you just should be glad you're not in the UK

Mordko

What other countries? Canada has 3/4 of population fully vaccinated. Almost 5% had a single dose and will be vaccinated shortly. Thats counting children. Very few countries have more. Among countries with a meaningful number of people only Portugal has over 80% vaccinated and Spain is at almost 80%. We do have anti-science plonkers and cowards and they tend to be very loud but not as many as elsewhere.

sharkus

I tend to just ignore the anti-vax types. There's certainly no point in arguing with them, or even trying to explain in a non-condescending reason why a vaccination is a good thing.

I personally see the covid booster becoming very much like the flu shot in the long run, you just get one every year if you want to, and don't if you don't need to.

I'm not too sure what will happen about getting the one or two shots to be fully vaccinated in the future. Will it still be provided as part of government healthcare, eg; OHIP on Ontario? As more businesses move forward with requiring full vaccination for employees then it could spur some of those who have not been vaccinated to do so.

What does confuse me, and I'll fully admit to not doing even a quick google on it to find out, is why healthcare workers are refusing to be vaccinated, especially those in front line positions. If you are interacting with patients then would it not make sense to lessen the exposure for yourself to covid from them, plus less you exposing them to covid if you happen to have it? I can't think it's the unions saying "don't do it", maybe them protecting the right of choice for their members? They're being fired due to not being vaccinated and that's putting even more pressure on those who remain, and of course patients.