bats

Just what did you state then? And what's your evidence?

dbd33

We could take guesses. I'll start. Nobody. No company or individual has presented a different study result or suppressed a study as a consequence of a payment from a pharmaceutical company.

Feel free to demonstrate that I'm wrong by citing a documented example. While you're at it I'd like one of those 100mpg carburetors hidden by the oil companies.

kimilseung

People often say "think for yourself", "do your own research". I am not sure I am in a position to do these things with any reliability. I have left it to the majority of the experts in their field, much like I do for almost everything else in life.

scrubbedexpat091

Yep, sure I read a bunch of the science stuff out of curiosity, but I certainly don't understand it all, and most lay persons likelty can't either, just like with the law, I can read the literal laws but I cannot properly interpret them, lawyers can but they have years of education in it, doctors and science folks the same, reading is one thing, properly interpreting is another.

CanadaJimmy

I did my own research and found that the vaccine is simply a synthesized protein (mRNA) that is the same as what is in the virus, and so injecting it just educates your immune system to attack that protein. It's a fairly simple concept, although the science behind creating the mRNA is obviously complex.

Of course when I posted this as a reply to someone on Facebook, they just told me to do my own research, as if they hadn't even read what I wrote.

scrubbedexpat091

While mRNA is different tech for vaccines, you would almost think this was the first vaccine ever created by the way some act.

These types have always been out there, the pandemic has just brought them to the surface as they have somethng to grab onto, where usually there isn't anything big enough to gain them much attention, there are other reasons to dislike Canada though.

dbd33

It's not just lawyering and doctoring. I don't know how electricity moves around the house. I don't know what's inside the water heater. I don't need to know that stuff because there are experts and I call them when needed. It's crazy to think everyone can and should know all about everything.

scrubbedexpat091

Yes there are lots of examples, those were just 2 that I pulled out of the air, or we would be have a list so long it would be too long to read.

Danny B

This is probably available on Amazon if you search for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against big pharma, but it's a business. Much like tobacco companies advertising low tar fags to prevent people quitting and to keep people smoking their 'healthier' option.

dbd33

Oh, I understand that business is business and the Sacklers, for example, operated in a generally businesslike fashion; though killing your customers is sub-optimal. Still, it's a big leap from there to falsifying or suppressing medical studies on a large scale through the payment of bribes. Is there any proven case of that?

Danny B

Google Pfizer bribes and see what you find. First few results didn't look that promising..

BristolUK

That's actually the same conclusion I copy/pasted in the other thread. Note that the underlined part says previously infected and a vaccine dose was better again.

I expect these things also vary according to variant and vax, not to mention other factors like age and health.

dbd33

Nothing there about suppressing or distorting medical studies, it's just bribes for business, same as firms do here if they want government contracts.

BristolUK

By "your own research" they mean following Nicki Minaj.

printer

Well yes but as we know they can still shop in Costco, meet for coffee, attend medical appointments, buy liquor, cannabis, cigarettes. Now if the governments went all out and made vax passports mandatory for ALL places even essential businesses there might be some more people getting it and those that don't wouldn't be mixing with anyone in public. Of course this will never happen so we are still mixing in certain places. The BC government failed to mandate vaccinations for school staff and now schools are complaining because they have to make that decision and so far they are dragging their heels and blaming the province for not stepping up
Edited to add that as of today with a week to go before the health authority vax mandate comes in there are still over 5000 healthcare workers who haven't had the shot. That's a lot of staff shortages coming up real soon and you have to wonder of all the professions why healthcare? Surely these people are 100% on board with all that's going on.