The country we left behind
May 24th 2018, 7:55 pm
#241
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Re: The country we left behind
Two men jailed for Salford house fire murders - BBC News
Police warned multiple times of the risk, and yet, no action taken.
Police warned multiple times of the risk, and yet, no action taken.
Jun 15th 2018, 12:54 am
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Universal credit savaged by public spending watchdog
Of course, every single submission by every organisation told them all this when they were "Seeking input" 
on the proposals and, as is always the case, government ignored them.
And nobody will be accountable.
The government’s ambitious change to the benefits system, universal credit, fails to deliver promised financial savings or employment benefits and leaves thousands of vulnerable claimants in hardship, according to the public spending watchdog.The National Audit Office effectively demolishes ministerial claims for universal credit, concluding that the much-delayed flagship welfare programme may end up costing more than the benefit system it replaces, cannot prove it helps more claimants into work and is unlikely to ever deliver value for money.
on the proposals and, as is always the case, government ignored them.And nobody will be accountable.
Jun 15th 2018, 9:31 am
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Should have employed this lot, oh, wait a minute...
Jun 15th 2018, 11:38 am
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The Job Lot
Should have employed this lot, oh, wait a minute...
A couple of all too real characters.
Jun 15th 2018, 12:04 pm
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Actually I have a relative just like Angela & she's a civil servant too!
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Jun 15th 2018, 1:00 pm
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Jun 15th 2018, 1:22 pm
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Re: The country we left behind
Universal credit savaged by public spending watchdog
Of course, every single submission by every organisation told them all this when they were "Seeking input" on the proposals and, as is always the case, government ignored them.
And nobody will be accountable.
Of course, every single submission by every organisation told them all this when they were "Seeking input"
on the proposals and, as is always the case, government ignored them.And nobody will be accountable.
Jun 15th 2018, 2:34 pm
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Jun 15th 2018, 2:53 pm
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Jun 15th 2018, 3:32 pm
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But, from my perspective, either the government made a bad decision and the electorate can deal with that at the next election, or the civil service didn't implement the policy as they had been instructed to do so and, if not, should be disciplined. If they are not disciplined the minister responsible can be dealt with by the electorate at the next election.
Jun 15th 2018, 3:40 pm
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But, from my perspective, either the government made a bad decision and the electorate can deal with that at the next election, or the civil service didn't implement the policy as they had been instructed to do so and, if not, should be disciplined. If they are not disciplined the minister responsible can be dealt with by the electorate at the next election.
Jun 15th 2018, 4:22 pm
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Re: The country we left behind
Also from the Guardian -
From 2013
And now -
From 2013
And now -
The NAO said the universal credit project had been beset by "weak management, ineffective control and poor governance".
The NAO found that in 2017, around one quarter (113,000) of new claims were not paid in full on time. Late payments were delayed on average by four weeks.
From January to October last year, 40% of those affected by late payments waited around 11 weeks or more, and 20% waited nearly five months.
From January to October last year, 40% of those affected by late payments waited around 11 weeks or more, and 20% waited nearly five months.
Jun 15th 2018, 4:36 pm
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When people tell you something's not workable, don't be surprised when it doesn't work.
As for IT, the government always underpays. They put a tender out, in come the responses, they pick someone and those in the know say "What again? They made a mess of it last time and look at the mess they made of such and such's new system. It would be crazy to hire the again" and guess what, they still do it.
Surprise surprise, they're not up to the task. Minister blames someone else.
Jun 15th 2018, 4:55 pm
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That pre-supposes the electorate knows about it. The idea, the proposals, the submissions, the trials and subsequent failures, the going ahead with it anyway despite the failures in the trials and, finally, the "revelations" that it does fail and how much money was wasted.
You are not going to get any argument from me that, with a couple of exceptions, the vast majority of all levels of government/civil servants are a complete and utter bunch of incompetent people that do little to improve the lives of the citizens they are supposed to serve. I say this as former public servant.